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Old 10-29-2007   #21
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I want Richard Smith gone. He has shown nothing. He has no track record. His defense is rated like crap with both offense and defense. And he comes across as a out of touch buffoon.

I see at least some life on the offensive side of the ball, even if it is put together like some sort of McGuyver thingy of duct tape, chewing gum, and random practice squad players.

The team likes Kubiak generally. I can't say the same thing about Smith.
I also want a new DB coach, I think Hoke gets too much credit for Dunta's rookie season and Glenn on the oppisite side. This secondary never forces any TOs and is continually among the bottom of the league in just about every catagory. I think a new voice would be good for our secondary.
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There probably is very little chance of ever getting a big name coach here and for two reasons:

1. As everyone has said earlier, team is too much in disarray and would require too much work and effort.

2. Bob McNair puts too many requirements on coaches so they can't do their job effectively. A good coach is not going to be told what to do when it comes to winning. One good example, the Carr extension.

The biggest problem the Texans have when it comes to winning is Bob McNair. You can't run an NFL football team by selecting coaches and players according to white-collar corporate standards.
It would be interesting to see just how a really capable NFL coach would do with this talent. Is it yesterday bad, or actually closer to what we saw in Charlotte ?
The price to land a big name coach, if its possible, clearly would be the whole package - GM/HC package. I dunno if McNair would pay that price, but by now he has to be awfully desperate for success no matter what the price.
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First things first, Mike Sherman and his gang of Gbay cast offs need to go. I like the idea of having Sherman on board as a sounding board for Kubes but time to go. His input on players he brought is horrible. Second, Smith the D coach should hold Sherman's belt loop so he too can make it out the door without the door slapping his fanny.

The angriest I got was the series after our QB got assassinated by #29 and no one went after Rivers. I don't care if it cost 15yds or a TD but TJ or someone should have leveled their QB. "You don't do that to my QB!" is what ever defensive guy should have been screaming the next 4 downs.

I did not expect a win but I expected the team to look like they knew they were in a football game. That is a coaching issue.
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I want Richard Smith gone. He has shown nothing. He has no track record. His defense is rated like crap with both offense and defense. And he comes across as a out of touch buffoon.

I see at least some life on the offensive side of the ball, even if it is put together like some sort of McGuyver thingy of duct tape, chewing gum, and random practice squad players.

The team likes Kubiak generally. I can't say the same thing about Smith.
Another good post TC. I pretty much feel the same, but at some point, the buck has to stop here (meaning with Kubes). Exactly how much rope we the fans give him is uncertain, but my patience is beginning to wear thin. He needs to step up, because on game days lately, he is getting his ass handed to him by the opposing coach every week. Wouldn't it have been nice to steal Fisher from Bud?
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The angriest I got was the series after our QB got assassinated by #29 and no one went after Rivers. I don't care if it cost 15yds or a TD but TJ or someone should have leveled their QB. "You don't do that to my QB!" is what ever defensive guy should have been screaming the next 4 downs.
Exactly, they do it in baseball. That was a blatant cheap shot.
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I donno about that. This Texans team isn't even competitive. They have not looked like a NFL team the last 3 weeks giving up 108 points between the Jags, Chargers and Titans. This team has been outcoached and plays soft. Not a good combination.

both NO and the giants looked the same early on and managed to turn it around
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Another good post TC. I pretty much feel the same, but at some point, the buck has to stop here (meaning with Kubes).
I don't disagree on any one point here, but would like to point out that this defense showed great promise at the end of last year. It would have been hard to go in and make a bunch of changes to the defensive coaching staff that looked like it was on the right track. Personally, I didn't think Smith was a good choice when we hired him, but I was on the bandwagon during the training camp and the first two games this season. Lets face it, the defense was flying to the ball early this year.

Also, you have to remember, the defense has been on the field a lot this season (particularly in Jacksonville and Tennesse games). The defense has to be feeling the pain right now. Don't be suprised if there aren't any or at least only minimal changes to the defensive coaching staff this off season.
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Can someone please explain to me what has been so terrible about Kubiak? His clock management will get better, and he will learn to stop throwing stupid challenges. Some of his play calling has been suspect, but the first three weeks of the season he looked like a genius. He was throwing the ball down field, and we were running the ball pretty damn well. Now, we can't do any of that. Why? Well we lost the leader of our OL (McKinney), our star RB is broken down and never should have been counted on, and our best WR is out. Yes, Kubiak has looked bad for 5 weeks now. But when we had the pieces, he looked great. Where real coaches show up is what they do when their stars go down. That's when the depth chart comes into play and well guess what: our depth chart sucks!!

Assistants being fired I'm all for. But I'm sorry, Kubiak is not the problem. Why not start calling for Schaub's head after what could have been a 4 INT game if he hadn't been taken out by that cheap shot? But hey it's got to be the Ag's fault right?
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There probably is very little chance of ever getting a big name coach here and for two reasons:

1. As everyone has said earlier, team is too much in disarray and would require too much work and effort.

2. Bob McNair puts too many requirements on coaches so they can't do their job effectively. A good coach is not going to be told what to do when it comes to winning. One good example, the Carr extension.

The biggest problem the Texans have when it comes to winning is Bob McNair. You can't run an NFL football team by selecting coaches and players according to white-collar corporate standards.
I don't think either of these are true.

1.) The ground work is laid, the talent is there. Cowher would have his Blue Collar guys working hard in Schaub, Johnson, and Walter. Cowher knows how to build a dominant Oline and a dominant defense. If you can coach in Pittsburgh you can coach anywhere. I also believe you have coach's out there like Cowher that would love a crack at coaching Williams.

The only draw back, and hold on for this one, we go back to the 34 defense. But at least this guy knows how to run it.

2.) I believe after the Carr and Bush thing has gone down McNair has let Rick Smith run with it bringing in good Talent.
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Don't be suprised if there aren't any or at least only minimal changes to the defensive coaching staff this off season.
I really hope you are wrong. I mean can we start a petition for Frank Bush? And get rid of Sherman! I really believe one of the biggest problems Kubiak and our offense are having is they are being pulled in too many different directions with Kubiak's scheme and Sherman's scheme. A team can't have two head coaches!
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Can someone please explain to me what has been so terrible about Kubiak?
Have you seen the team play?

Fisher has less talent to work with and year in and year out has his team be competitive, work hard, and win games b/c he understands how to play within his team.

There is no way with the amount of talent Fisher has on the Titans should they in anyway be going to the playoffs and they are. It turns my stomach to even think about it.
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Have you seen the team play?

Fisher has less talent to work with and year in and year out has his team be competitive, work hard, and win games b/c he understands how to play within his team.

There is no way with the amount of talent Fisher has on the Titans should they in anyway be going to the playoffs and they are. It turns my stomach to even think about it.
Yes I've watched. I've seen an offensive line provide zero pass protection. I've seen my quarterback scared out of his mind. I've seen us have no running game until the slight one we saw yesterday.

Don't get me started on Fisher. Offensive line on a bad day is better than our's at our best. He actually has a running back and has had one for a few years in Chris Brown. Not to mention Chris Henry, Lendale White, Ahmad Hall, etc. Keep trying to find ways to blame Kubiak but don't come back here jumping up and down saying "I told you so!" if Kubiak does something for this team. In my opinion, none of you guys already bashing Kubiak should be a part of it.

We've been exposed. As about the only sane person in here, KJ, said we are only two seasons removed from 2-14. All you guys expecting a miracle season after all of our injuries are obviously on something. But hey, on with the bashing!
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Have you seen the team play?

Fisher has less talent to work with and year in and year out has his team be competitive, work hard, and win games b/c he understands how to play within his team.

There is no way with the amount of talent Fisher has on the Titans should they in anyway be going to the playoffs and they are. It turns my stomach to even think about it.
Fisher is a very good coach that had 10 draft picks and a ton of money last off season. The team basically set on it's hands during free agency. Their team talent is their own problem.

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Have you seen the team play?

Fisher has less talent to work with and year in and year out has his team be competitive, work hard, and win games b/c he understands how to play within his team.

There is no way with the amount of talent Fisher has on the Titans should they in anyway be going to the playoffs and they are. It turns my stomach to even think about it.
Fischer consistently gets more out of less than just about any coach in the league.
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Oh and our piss poor offense that Kubiak is having such a horrible effect on. Well it's 10th in the league in scoring per game and 9th in yardage per game. Man our play calling sucks!
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Yes I've watched. I've seen an offensive line provide zero pass protection. I've seen my quarterback scared out of his mind. I've seen us have no running game until the slight one we saw yesterday.

We have spent the last six seasons picking high round draft picks and you are telling me that this team still has no talent?

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Don't get me started on Fisher. Offensive line on a bad day is better than our's at our best. He actually has a running back and has had one for a few years in Chris Brown. Not to mention Chris Henry, Lendale White, Ahmad Hall, etc. Keep trying to find ways to blame Kubiak but don't come back here jumping up and down saying "I told you so!" if Kubiak does something for this team. In my opinion, none of you guys already bashing Kubiak should be a part of it.
You know why Fisher has all those things? B/C he makes them so. None of those players, not one, could go onto another team and do what they do. You don't lose two hall of fame lineman in five years and keep plugging away like nothing happens unless you are a fantastic caoch.

The Browns! We have more talent than the Browns and they are playing better.

I don't even get that last statement. So what you are saying is that you are hanging with Kubiak so you can say "I told you so" instead of giving an honest evaluation of the team. How many times is Kubiak going to come out to each of his pressers and all but say "I suck as a head coach" before we start to listen?

"Its my fault, I put this loss on us as coach's, we didn't come out prepared, and so on and so on.

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We've been exposed. As about the only sane person in here, KJ, said we are only two seasons removed from 2-14. All you guys expecting a miracle season after all of our injuries are obviously on something. But hey, on with the bashing!
2005 was the 2-14 season. Its now 2007 and still playing like 2005.

This is a fluff schedule and we are getting hammered each week.

Kubiak is not the guy. Don't fall in love with players or coach's. Look at the state of your team and give an honest evaluation and admit to yourself what needs to be done so we are not the Cardinals of the AFC.
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Oh and our piss poor offense that Kubiak is having such a horrible effect on. Well it's 10th in the league in scoring per game and 9th in yardage per game. Man our play calling sucks!
You still have to get it into that thing called an End Zone.

Your explosive offensive weapon is not supposed to be your kicker.
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Fischer consistently gets more out of less than just about any coach in the league.
Thats my point, Fisher is an example of what a good coach looks like.

Compared to Dom Capers of course Kubiak looks good.
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I don't think they should get rid of Kubiak, but I definitely think we need to get a new defenisve staff. However, something were to happen and we did get rid of Kubiak, I would want Cohwer because I feel is a better coach than Schottenheimer and he has won in the playoffs.
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Oh and our piss poor offense that Kubiak is having such a horrible effect on. Well it's 10th in the league in scoring per game and 9th in yardage per game. Man our play calling sucks!
gotta love what garbage time can do for your stats. I haven't seen a team coached this bad since Hugh Campbell was coaching the Oilers and looking confused the entire time. It's really MUCH worse on the defensive side of the ball...but the offense doesn't look like they are ready to deal with NFL defenses at all lately. I think Hugh always looked at his feet during pressers too.
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