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Old 10-25-2007   #1
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A friend of mine and I have been arguing all week about this. This guy thinks we should start Rosenfels and bench Schaub. His argument is that Schaub has not thrown a TD in the last 3 games and Rosenfels threw 4 TDs in the last game. My argument is that Schaub is putting up good numbers, is the #10 qb in the NFL, and Rosenfels is a backup and not worthy of starting. Somehow he overlooks the 4 interceptions he threw in the last game too. What is yalls take?
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A friend of mine and I have been arguing all week about this. This guy thinks we should start Rosenfels and bench Schaub. His argument is that Schaub has not thrown a TD in the last 3 games and Rosenfels threw 4 TDs in the last game. My argument is that Schaub is putting up good numbers, is the #10 qb in the NFL, and Rosenfels is a backup and not worthy of starting. Somehow he overlooks the 4 interceptions he threw in the last game too. What is yalls take?
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Default Re: Start Rosenfels?!?!?

Schaub is the guy.... if he is healthy. If Matt isn't 100%, I say start Sage. He has proven that he can run this offense effectively. Otherwise, it is Matts job. We gave up too much and paid him too much to have him sit when healthy.

Matt is improving.... we just need to keep him in one piece behind that pathetic offensive line.
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Default Re: Start Rosenfels?!?!?

i say we start sage this week and next at oakland, give schaub an extra break with the bye week and give him a chance to be 100 percent.
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Schaub is the guy.... if he is healthy. If Matt isn't 100%, I say start Sage. He has proven that he can run this offense effectively. Otherwise, it is Matts job. We gave up too much and paid him too much to have him sit when healthy.

Matt is improving.... we just need to keep him in one piece behind that pathetic offensive line.
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Default Re: Start Rosenfels?!?!?

Drop the "1" from Sage's uniform and you have almost the same QB. I'm confident both can do a good job. I say let Schaub heal. Seems he was hurting before last weeks game and the same thing that was hurting before is still hurting, yet there are a couple of new things added to his list of injuries now.
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Default Re: Start Rosenfels?!?!?

Some QBs are great backups, but not necessarily starter material. I think that Sage is probably one of those guys.

Once defenses have enough film on him, then they'll be more effective against him.

He always impresses me when he comes in, but I can't help but think that Schaub was brought in for a reason.
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Schaub is the guy.... if he is healthy. If Matt isn't 100%, I say start Sage. He has proven that he can run this offense effectively. Otherwise, it is Matts job. We gave up too much and paid him too much to have him sit when healthy.

Matt is improving.... we just need to keep him in one piece behind that pathetic offensive line.
I agree. Schaub is basically a 'rookie' as a starting QB, so there is no point in risking him if he is not playing in good health. We have too much invested and he represents too much of our future plans to prove a short term goal of winning one game.

And yeah, I agree with you about our line now. Losing McKinney should not have been such a devastating blow, but it's obvious that they lost a lot when he got injured.
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A friend of mine and I have been arguing all week about this. This guy thinks we should start Rosenfels and bench Schaub. His argument is that Schaub has not thrown a TD in the last 3 games and Rosenfels threw 4 TDs in the last game. My argument is that Schaub is putting up good numbers, is the #10 qb in the NFL, and Rosenfels is a backup and not worthy of starting. Somehow he overlooks the 4 interceptions he threw in the last game too. What is yalls take?
Schaub has the potential to be a great QB. Sage is a great backup who would probably be OK as a starter.

Sage's problem is that he doesn't always make good decisions; he makes risky throws. He tries to fit the ball into places that he has no right trying to fit the ball into. That's why he threw 3 interceptions and was really lucky that he didn't throw more.

If Schaub is feeling beaten up, I don't mind Sage starting a game for Matt to heal up but Matt is the future of this team.
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Default Re: Start Rosenfels?!?!?

I'm all for starting Sage the next two games. That gives Schaub three weeks to get better. I have complete confidence in Sage to run the team while Schaub is resting.
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If Schaub is feeling beaten up, I don't mind Sage starting a game for Matt to heal up but Matt is the future of this team.
Agreed, since the offensive line is probably not going to be much better, or maybe worse.

Schaub could be risking serious injury if he is not 100% with the current state of affairs regarding the offensive line
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Default Re: Start Rosenfels?!?!?

Schaub is hands down the better QB. Up until last week he was in the Top 10 in 7 statistical categories, was working the pocket well and besides a few mishaps was throwing a nice ball. Sage is a good backup. He had a great 4th quarter but he also has done this in Miami and when he got the chance to start he stunk up the joint. When he starts he doesn't play well. In relief and with nothing to lose he wings it. He still had some horrible moments last week that can't be ignored. People are just fickle and really don't look at the big picture.

Overall, if Schaub needs the healing time..Fine. But it shouldn't be a decision between the two.
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A friend of mine and I have been arguing all week about this. This guy thinks we should start Rosenfels and bench Schaub. His argument is that Schaub has not thrown a TD in the last 3 games and Rosenfels threw 4 TDs in the last game. My argument is that Schaub is putting up good numbers, is the #10 qb in the NFL, and Rosenfels is a backup and not worthy of starting. Somehow he overlooks the 4 interceptions he threw in the last game too. What is yalls take?
Your friend needs to pay attention what is happening on the OTHER side of the ball.

With 1 1/2 quarters left to play and a sizable lead, the Titans defense started playing soft. All too often, when one QB comes in and puts up good numbers, folks ONLY concentrate on what that player did, and don't consider what the defense was allowing to happen. The game is more nuanced than looking at pure stats.

Rosenfels' last TD throw was very close to being one of those desperation throws that ends up as an interception. Luckily our WR was able to make a play on the ball, but watching that in replays, it looked like a very questionable decision.
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Is the season basically over so far as the Texans making it to the playoffs this year ? I think so, but others may differ ?
But if it's over, let Schaub rest & heal along with AJ and hold them both out until after the bye-week next month. If Rosenfels plays and looks good in the next few games, maybe we'd get an offer for him from another team we couldn't refuse. Sorta like the one ATL got for Schaub earlier this year.
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I am in total agreement about starting Sage while Schaub heals. Other than that he remains a backup.
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Is the season basically over so far as the Texans making it to the playoffs this year ? I think so, but others may differ ?
But if it's over, let Schaub rest & heal along with AJ and hold them both out until after the bye-week next month. If Rosenfels plays and looks good in the next few games, maybe we'd get an offer for him from another team we couldn't refuse. Sorta like the one ATL got for Schaub earlier this year.

Man, Texans have the same record as the Chargers (well almost).....I think you could make playoffs...Captain Obvious says you need to win though
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Unless there's an extreme risk, Schaub needs to start.

You have got to find out about your QB's durability sooner rather later.

You have to be smart about it, yes, but it's part of football.
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Unless there's an extreme risk, Schaub needs to start.

You have got to find out about your QB's durability sooner rather later.

You have to be smart about it, yes, but it's part of football.
This is true. Tom Brady has been Probable with a shoulder injury for years now, and he manages to get things done without upsetting it. Of course, their O-line is lightyears ahead of ours, so it is not as much of a concern.
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If we had a decent line that could protect our QB, yeah bring back Schaub as soon as possible. But we don't have a good OL, so I would just rest Schaub. He's not going anywhere, he is our starter for the next 10 years. Let him have a break before he gets thrown to the wolves again.
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Is the season basically over so far as the Texans making it to the playoffs this year ? I think so, but others may differ ?
With the AFC being as strong as it is, the only chance we'd have would be a wildcard berth since Indy is a hands down lock to win the South. I do not think we have the talent to be consistent enough to beat out our other two division rivals, much less the rest of the AFC. I wouldn't be surprised to see one or both of the AFC wildcard teams have 10-6 records or better.

We've got to take it game by game and do what is best for our team - within reason - to try to win each game. IMHO, it is not within reason to put an injured QB behind a line that cannot protect him and an offense that lacks any resemblance of a running game.
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