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Old 10-23-2007   #1
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Default Anybody want to see us trade down this year!?

It goes without saying that its tough to find a partner to trade with...they have to really want somebody and offer us something comperable. We have to find more value in the draft picks we're receiving than the players that are on the board.

I would love to see us trade down this year. For arguements sake let's pretend we're picking about 17th and our top prospects are off the board (ex. no elite LT's..Long/Baker/Clady, no McFadden or Stewart, Dan Connor and Kenny Phillips have been selected already too.)

Atlanta has the #4 pick in the draft...somehow McFadden slips to them...although they have Norwood (good and young) and Dunn (getting old)- McFadden is too good to pass up so they select him. The trick here is having a player at #17 that ATL really wants to trade us their 2 2nd round picks (theirs and ours). Say Andre Woodson fell to our spot and ATL came calling.

Would you trade our #17 overall (950 pts) for Atlanta's 2nd round pick (36 overall-540 pts) and our original 2nd round pick (49 overall-410pts).

With those picks, we select Tony Hills- OT-Texas and Ray Rice- RB-Rutgers.

What do you guys think!? Now after you're done saying how dumb I am- what players would you want to target in the 2nd round or late first if we trade down and recoup some draft picks.
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If we selected Tony Hills in the second round I'd be estatic...

Not for the team, but for him...
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It goes without saying that its tough to find a partner to trade with...they have to really want somebody and offer us something comperable. We have to find more value in the draft picks we're receiving than the players that are on the board.

I would love to see us trade down this year. For arguements sake let's pretend we're picking about 17th and our top prospects are off the board (ex. no elite LT's..Long/Baker/Clady, no McFadden or Stewart, Dan Connor and Kenny Phillips have been selected already too.)

Atlanta has the #4 pick in the draft...somehow McFadden slips to them...although they have Norwood (good and young) and Dunn (getting old)- McFadden is too good to pass up so they select him. The trick here is having a player at #17 that ATL really wants to trade us their 2 2nd round picks (theirs and ours). Say Andre Woodson fell to our spot and ATL came calling.

Would you trade our #17 overall (950 pts) for Atlanta's 2nd round pick (36 overall-540 pts) and our original 2nd round pick (49 overall-410pts).

With those picks, we select Tony Hills- OT-Texas and Ray Rice- RB-Rutgers.

What do you guys think!? Now after you're done saying how dumb I am- what players would you want to target in the 2nd round or late first if we trade down and recoup some draft picks.
Im not sold on Tony Hills. He is incredibly athletic but his technique can be horrendous at times. Obviously the best o-lineman for Texas right now, but thats not sayin much this year.
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Im not sold on Tony Hills. He is incredibly athletic but his technique can be horrendous at times. Obviously the best o-lineman for Texas right now, but thats not sayin much this year.
When I was in highschool, our coach called him the worst blocker on the team...

Of course he was overexaggerating, but his pass blocking was always suspect....

Of course he was a TE at the time as well....
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Default Re: Anybody want to see us trade down this year!?

i have a better question.. who doesn't ever want to trade down?
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Default Re: Anybody want to see us trade down this year!?

My first thought was no way. I guess it depended on who was available at each of the three picks and you just can't know that. I like two picks, but I want a sure fire starter with our first pick whenever and whoever it is.
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I would love to see us trade down this year. For arguements sake let's pretend we're picking about 17th and our top prospects are off the board (ex. no elite LT's..Long/Baker/Clady, no McFadden or Stewart, Dan Connor and Kenny Phillips have been selected already too.)

Atlanta has the #4 pick in the draft...somehow McFadden slips to them...although they have Norwood (good and young) and Dunn (getting old)- McFadden is too good to pass up so they select him. The trick here is having a player at #17 that ATL really wants to trade us their 2 2nd round picks (theirs and ours). Say Andre Woodson fell to our spot and ATL came calling.

Would you trade our #17 overall (950 pts) for Atlanta's 2nd round pick (36 overall-540 pts) and our original 2nd round pick (49 overall-410pts).

With those picks, we select Tony Hills- OT-Texas and Ray Rice- RB-Rutgers.

What do you guys think!? Now after you're done saying how dumb I am- what players would you want to target in the 2nd round or late first if we trade down and recoup some draft picks.
Given your scenero (early in the process- realistic) Rick Smith should seriously consider this because he could upgrade two starting positions of dire need for this team. my early 2nd rd board would include addressing RCB (move Faggins to nickle) with Aqib Talib, Kansas then replace the injured (probably career over) McKinney & a step slower Flanagan with the one elite Center in the draft Cal's Alex Mack (Chris White remains as back-up).
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like 90% of fans want to trade down. every team.
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Oh God - A draft a Longhorn/Aggie/<Insert Local U. here> thread in week 8?
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Default Re: Anybody want to see us trade down this year!?

60% of the time, it works every time.

And no this isn't a draft any longhorn/aggie/UofH homer thread.

I'm not an expert at all but am realistic. From what i've read Tony Hills seems to be a good fit for our team...y'alls comments are helpful b/c it seems a lot don't like his skill set. I have not paid attention to him playing yet.

The basis is not pretending we're going to have some great talent in the 2nd round that at this point in time we know isn't going to happen.

Ryan Clady and Sam Baker seem to be the top talent for LT in what we're looking for. We may have a shot at them in the first (again..this far in advance)...but I'm not about to say we get Clady in the 2nd round b/c from what I've read...he will probably go in the 1st.

I'm just trying to be realistic in who we could get and who would really help this team out...If hills isn't the LT for us..then who is projecting late first/early 2nd right now? Michael Oher is someone I'm really high on, but he hasn't done too well from what I've seen....and I truly think he stays his senior year.

beerlover- Thanks for your comment on the Center from Cal- Alex Mack. I think Center is a big need for us and really wanted Ryan Kalil last year...I thought he'd go late first early second though.

From what I've seen, Ray Rice has impressed me. IMO, I wouldn't want us to pick a top 20 pick on him but picking him at the top of the 2nd would be good value. This guy can carry the load and is the style of RB I want for this team...but he doesn't seem to have the breakaway speed every play to push him into the top half of the 1st.
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The dude from Wake Forest is supposably a good ZBS center.

Trading down is tempting but I think it depends on which juniors declare.

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like 90% of fans want to trade down. every team.
I don't understand that though. I'd rather not. Alteast with a high selection I know there is a better chance of the team getting a guy who can be a game breaker. Game breakers are what this team really needs...we have enough "role players".
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The dude from Wake Forest is supposably a good ZBS center.

Trading down is tempting but I think it depends on which juniors declare.
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like 90% of fans want to trade down. every team.
Exactly. Teams see the same logic that we fans do, but other teams are not in that big of a hurry to trade up. That said, our best opportunity to trade down for extra picks is actually if we are further from the top of the draft, not closer.
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Can we close this thread and reopen it in January?
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Clady is moving up the boards. Better set your sights a little lower like Dunbar of Aurburn, Hills of sodom on towne lake, IF we use first round pick on an OLT. Remeber, Pace has broken down and Ogden has a toe. Gaither might make the switch to OLT. I gotta see it before I believe it. So there are at least two teams looking at an upgrade. Walter Jones isn't a spring chicken any more either. I like the Marshal center if we're looking for someone like Mckinney. There's an aggie on the boards for a center prospect also. There's no doubt that the Justice is the pulm at center for a ZBS team. He can flat out run. And he gets them in the dirt when he gets there.

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Another thought is that there are only a hand full of prospects this year at QB.
Baltimore, Atlanta and Minniesota need up grades. We might just end up in the cats bird seat if we're lucky to be in the 5 through seven slot. We might get to eat our cake and get the CB or center also.

You all get a chance to look at Neveda the remainder of the season the guy at QB has an arm.
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Clady is moving up the boards. Better set your sights a little lower like Dunbar of Aurburn, Hills of sodom on towne lake, IF we use first round pick on an OLT. Remeber, Pace has broken down and Ogden has a toe. Gaither might make the switch to OLT. I gotta see it before I believe it. So there are at least two teams looking at an upgrade. Walter Jones isn't a spring chicken any more either. I like the Marshal center if we're looking for someone like Mckinney. There's an aggie on the boards for a center prospect also. There's no doubt that the Justice is the pulm at center for a ZBS team. He can flat out run. And he gets them in the dirt when he gets there.

http://www.gbnreport.com/2007ots.html

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King Dunbar has not been playing well at all this year. He actually lost his starting job to a freshman until the freshman got injured. A lot of the O-line guys that were hyped pre-season are not playing very well this year.
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Default Re: Anybody want to see us trade down this year!?

To the original question, I would say, yes,

This team still needs a lot of help and the draft remains the best place to get it. (for the long haul)
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