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Old 10-22-2007   #21
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you're kidding yourself if you believe that a 3 and out, no matter how physical, compares to getting driven down the field everytime-for 3 quarters no less...

anyone care enough to post where the titans started each drive? i can't remember exactly but it didn't seem like the titans had many long drives...
When you're on the field for 30 minutes of the 1st 45 of the game, it doesn't really matter how long the drives are.

NINE trips to the redzone and even though the defense only allowed 2 TD's in those NINE trips, Tennessee scored on every single one. When you give up 10 scores out of 16 possessions, well, you stink.

And then when you're back in the game with a chance to actually win, and the defense just has to make one stop to save the day, they can't get it done.

So come on back and jump me for that, JT.
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I am going to bash anyone who even thinks about jumping on any of the defense in this game. For them to hold the Teetons to 7 feildgoals to give us the oppertunity sp to go ahead. I say hats off to the Defense and maybe the offense and Kubes will take a lesson and play the game the way it is supposed to be played.
Im a little in the middle of this topic. I feel they fought their ***** off to keep it from getting to out of hand, but they couldnt make the play when they needed to. Its just a fact, and no excuses are acceptable. Oh, and Faggins got hosed on the PI, for what its worth.
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Here is how the Defense got to start off each time back on the field.
1st
Titan 31 (FG)
Texan 23 (Ryans Fumble recovery)
Titan 39 (Ryans Fumble recovery for TD)
Titan 24 (punt)
Texan 38 (FG)
One drive for a FG

2nd
Texan 49 (FG)
Titan 23 (TD)
Titan 49 (FG)
Texan 32 (FG)
One long drive for a TD

3rd
Texan 30 (FG)
Titan 24 (TD)
One long drive for a TD

4th
Titan 20 (punt)
Titan 24 (punt muffed by Texans)
Texan 33 (punt)
Texan 17 (FG)
Titan 20 (FG)
One long drive for a FG
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Letís put a little more perspective on this, against the Titans the D gave up long drives and gave up points. Flashback to the Jags game, the D gave up long drives and gave up points.

Isnít the idea of the defence to get the opposition off the field.

He who controls the clock, controls the game.
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Letís put a little more perspective on this, against the Titans the D gave up long drives and gave up points. Flashback to the Jags game, the D gave up long drives and gave up points.

Isnít the idea of the defence to get the opposition off the field.

He who controls the clock, controls the game.
The key is to keep your offense on the field, attempt to move the ball down the field, and scoring points. Our offense didn't stay on the field, sure as heck didn't move the ball, and didn't wasn't scoring.

Forcing your defense to go on the field to keep the other team from being in fieldgoal range after 20 yard or less is a rediculous thing to ask for, putting them on the field with the other team already in field goal range is (well let's just say it's not a nice thing)...and then tell them that's not good enough when they hold them to the FG or less?

Please tell me what you were expecting from the drives that I didn't highlight? The defense gave up one legitimate score per quarter, 2 FGs and two TDs. (excluding drives that required 25yrds or less to put the Titans in FG range from midfield.
For the length of time they were out there, coupled with the amount of time it takes to get your turn in line with the water bottle boy (that was so wrong) before you have to huddle back up, they did a good job.
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You're forgetting that when Tennessee was in a position to have to have a long drive, they did it. Long drives, short drives, it doesn't matter. They did both. They had 4 drives of 9 plays or more and scored on every one. 3 drives of 60 yards or more and scored on every one. Tennessee started 7 drives inside their own 35 and scored 4 times for a total of 20 points, and 3 of those started inside their own 30.

The offense gets every bit as much of the blame and they put the D in a lot of bad situations, but to say the D didn't play all that bad is ridiculous. They stunk up the joint.
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The Defense played with the will to win, the O played with the will to lose except in the 4th qtr. The coaches played to lose all game.

Why did Anderson feild a punt. What do we have now 5 punt returners.
Why anderson in a game this critical?

All you defense naysayers here I am bashing your heads
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It's hard to stop any one when you're on the field for most of the game and are consistently getting put in awful position. Big turnovers were very costly and our offense couldn't stay on the field. What defense would play well in those circumstances?

Having said that, it's pretty piss poor that we couldn't muster up one stop when it mattered most. This game was an ugly performance all the way around, but our offense was worse.
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You're forgetting that when Tennessee was in a position to have to have a long drive, they did it. Long drives, short drives, it doesn't matter. They did both. They had 4 drives of 9 plays or more and scored on every one. 3 drives of 60 yards or more and scored on every one. Tennessee started 7 drives inside their own 35 and scored 4 times for a total of 20 points, and 3 of those started inside their own 30.

The offense gets every bit as much of the blame and they put the D in a lot of bad situations, but to say the D didn't play all that bad is ridiculous. They stunk up the joint.

Jeez, you write it like they had about 15 drives resulting in scores, when in actually it was only 4 times. Let's dissect your analysis shall we?

4 drives of 9 plays or more and scored on every one.
3 drives of 60yds or more and scored on every one (included in above)
Tennessee started 7 drives inside their own 35 and scored 4 times (included above)
3 of those started inside their own 30 (again included in above)

So what you really meant to say was that the Titans had 4 scoring drives consisting of 9 plays or more, 3 of which were of over 60 yards.

Funny how that still only equals the 20pts that I mentioned on the same 4 drives that I mentioned.

A drive that starts in or near FG range and ends up in a FG does not a drive make.

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Yea, if Dunta hadn't have given up that catch we would have won the game. He didn't even look for the ball! No worries, if they hadn't have caught it, he would have been flagged for PI since he was face guarding when he slapped for it.

Jeeez did that sound as stupid as I hope it did?

Granted, I have no freaking idea how the hell the couldn't hold them after that comeback either, that pissed me off...but the odds finally caught up.
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Why were talking defense can we talk turnovers and sacks.

Why is this defense practically incapable of getting them?

Yes Ryans returned a fumble for a TD, but that is one sack which caused the one turnover, that is one defensive play worth noting, but they played a heck of a lot of plays where they came out the loser.

Is it scheme, personnel, coaching, the alignment of the moon?


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Why were talking defense can we talk turnovers and sacks.

Why is this defense practically incapable of getting them?

Yes Ryans returned a fumble for a TD, but that is one sack which caused the one turnover, that is one defensive play worth noting, but they played a heck of a lot of plays where they came out the loser.

Is it scheme, personnel, coaching, the alignment of the moon?


the Texans have been making progress in that area its just not showing yet Fisher has always done a good job preaching (attacking/dislodging the football) aggressive defensive philosophy his system has been in place for years so they have a different mind set.
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Jeez, you write it like they had about 15 drives resulting in scores, when in actually it was only 4 times. Let's dissect your analysis shall we?

4 drives of 9 plays or more and scored on every one.
3 drives of 60yds or more and scored on every one (included in above)
Tennessee started 7 drives inside their own 35 and scored 4 times (included above)
3 of those started inside their own 30 (again included in above)

So what you really meant to say was that the Titans had 4 scoring drives consisting of 9 plays or more, 3 of which were of over 60 yards.

Funny how that still only equals the 20pts that I mentioned on the same 4 drives that I mentioned.

A drive that starts in or near FG range and ends up in a FG does not a drive make.
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to confuse the issue with stats even though those 422 yards came from somewhere on that football field, but let me clear it up for you. The defense sucked. Good night now.
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the Texans have been making progress in that area its just not showing yet Fisher has always done a good job preaching (attacking/dislodging the football) aggressive defensive philosophy his system has been in place for years so they have a different mind set.
What evidence is there of progress being made, talking about doing something and making progress towards achieving what you talk about are different things.
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What evidence is there of progress being made, talking about doing something and making progress towards achieving what you talk about are different things.
its fairly common knowledge thats something they where trying to work on during camp & pre-season. don't have the specific numbers in front of me but think they where leading the league after a couple weeks in take aways. You can see them & most other NFL teams trying to rip, hit, knock whatever dislodge the ball away from the runner or stand him up & wait for help. I was watching the Cowboy Viking game yesterday & Peterson had the ball stripped from him when the player held onto his free arm while he reached around & punched the ball away from his other hand, pretty slick, seems to be a trend or art form that some are better at performing than others.

not sure whats changed over the past several games, if its the defense wearing down, coaching waivering or lack of development in the practice but I do believe its getting better but its hard for them to stick to this practice when they struggle with basics like just wrapping up & stopping the running game or defending the pass when QB's have so much time to throw. Sage fumbling the center exchange was rust as was David Andersons lack of exposure returning punts, but by & large seperating the ball from offensive weapons is a skill aquired through coaching, practice then successful experience
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Here is a link to the drive chart for the game. Take into consideration that the time of possession was 30 to 15 minutes in favor of the Titians heading into the 3rd quarter. Defending a short field all game, coupled with no special teams, no starting QB, no WR1 and no running game says to me that the defense did a lot of bending and certainly did not quit. Much like the fans were waiting for someone to make a play on the field, I am sure the defense was as well, because everyone was tired.

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The Defense played with the will to win, the O played with the will to lose except in the 4th qtr. The coaches played to lose all game.

Why did Anderson feild a punt. What do we have now 5 punt returners.
Why anderson in a game this critical?

All you defense naysayers here I am bashing your heads
Joe.. I wasn't bashing the "D" at all... They played well considering the turnovers and field position.

I merely stated that they weren't able to make a stop when it counted for the win.. If we use the excuse that they were tired - than whats the point of making a valiant comeback to begin with?? Should we have just folded our tents and said, well it doesnt matter 'cause the "D" will be too tired to stop them for a game winning field goal drive...

That coupled with the fact that this Defense (except Okoye) has done this before (See Buffalo last year)...
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I'm sorry. I didn't mean to confuse the issue with stats even though those 422 yards came from somewhere on that football field, but let me clear it up for you. The defense sucked. Good night now.

Team 1: 422 yards on 16 possessions = 26.375 yards per possession
Team 2: 324 yards on 9 possessions = 36.000 yards per possession
Team 3: 308 yards on 12 possessions = 25.666 yards per possession
Team 4: 226 yards on 10 possessions = 22.600 yards per possession
Team 5: 382 yards on 12 possessions = 31.833 yards per possession

Index:
Team 1=Houston (Rank #21 Def YPG)
Team 2=Pittsburgh (Rank #1 Def YPG)
Team 3=Baltimore (Rank #2 Def YPG)
Team 4=Indianapolis (Rank #3 Def YPG)
Team 5=New England (Rank #4 Def YPG)

8 times the Titans started at midfield or closer 6 of which started in FG range.
(TN49,H49,38,33,32,30,23,17) resulting in 6 FG; 1 Fum; 1 Punt

I'd say they did ok this week based on the number of possessions they had to defend.
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Team 1: 422 yards on 16 possessions = 26.375 yards per possession
Team 2: 324 yards on 9 possessions = 36.000 yards per possession
Team 3: 308 yards on 12 possessions = 25.666 yards per possession
Team 4: 226 yards on 10 possessions = 22.600 yards per possession
Team 5: 382 yards on 12 possessions = 31.833 yards per possession

Index:
Team 1=Houston (Rank #21 Def YPG)
Team 2=Pittsburgh (Rank #1 Def YPG)
Team 3=Baltimore (Rank #2 Def YPG)
Team 4=Indianapolis (Rank #3 Def YPG)
Team 5=New England (Rank #4 Def YPG)

8 times the Titans started at midfield or closer 6 of which started in FG range.
(TN49,H49,38,33,32,30,23,17) resulting in 6 FG; 1 Fum; 1 Punt

I'd say they did ok this week based on the number of possessions they had to defend.
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I am not singling anyone out but there are a few of you who want to throw the team under the Bus. The Defense did all they could barring a coaches decision to give Dunta some help after the first pass on the last drive. Coaches lost the game plain and simple, the offense helped, the defense did all they could to keep us in it.
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