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Old 10-22-2007   #1
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I am going to bash anyone who even thinks about jumping on any of the defense in this game. For them to hold the Teetons to 7 feildgoals to give us the oppertunity sp to go ahead. I say hats off to the Defense and maybe the offense and Kubes will take a lesson and play the game the way it is supposed to be played.
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I am going to bash anyone who even thinks about jumping on any of the defense in this game. For them to hold the Teetons to 7 feildgoals to give us the oppertunity sp to go ahead. I say hats off to the Defense and maybe the offense and Kubes will take a lesson and play the game the way it is supposed to be played.
That was some good redzone defense, but Smith's refusal to send the blitz or throw out uniqe packages cost us some this game IMO.
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I will say Travis Johnson came to play, but Kerry Collins looks like Payton Manning throwing to Harrison and Wayne, we didn't have much pass rush most of the game, and the Meatballs score on 10, count em, 10 drives, but you think the D played well? I don't know what your criteria of success is, but that ain't it in my mind.
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Well start bashing because they couldn't stop the backup qb, backup rb, and wr2 from getting into field goal range when it mattered. Good teams win when they have the lead with less than a minute left and all the momentum. The defense is healthy and has most of the top draft picks but they still continue to give up big plays when it matters and have no pass rush.

The Texans have now lost 3 division games with 2 out of 3 left on the road. And the remaining schedule looks really tough now. They will be lucky to be a 6 win team by the end of the season and match last years record. Seriously. They are losing to teams they should beat regardless of injuries. Remember. We almost lost to Miami and Cleo Lemon. Kris Brown had to pull that one out with a 57 yard kick. That is something that won't happen on a regular basis.

I'm happy Schaub and I like Kubiak way better than Capers but something needs fixing. Read Hervs post on this and I agree 100% with what he is saying.
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I am going to bash anyone who even thinks about jumping on any of the defense in this game. For them to hold the Teetons to 7 feildgoals to give us the oppertunity sp to go ahead. I say hats off to the Defense and maybe the offense and Kubes will take a lesson and play the game the way it is supposed to be played.
yeah, getting scored on 10 times in a game is always something to be proud of....or not.

Face it, this whole team stinks, once again.

Oh, except they have 'heart' now, so that accounts for something I hear.
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Sorry, but giving up 38 points to a team missing their #1 running back, their #1 WR, and their #1 QB does not impress. Not to mention it was another game of ZERO pass rush, only 1 sack, and a game in which we gave up a game winning field goal with 50 seconds left.
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is it too much to expect that Mario Williams makes a sack when the games on the line? sure the defense is tired but what about the offensive linemen of the Titans? this team needs the #1 overall pick to step up & show some leadership, Collins is a proto-typical pocket passer, not very mobile & suggestive to questionable decisions when harrassed under pressure. I don't care how good your db's are if you give a pure passer like Collins time to pick his targets, history will keep repeating itself until the big guy breaks thru-
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They gave up 422 yards to an average (at best) offense lead by Kerry freaking Collins.

They got one sack, and aside from a small handful of plays, never got close to him otherwise.

The defense did well to not give up TDs, and it was great that they scored a TD themselves - but to say they deserve to be saluted? Come on. They got pushed around all day long.
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I am going to bash anyone who even thinks about jumping on any of the defense in this game. For them to hold the Teetons to 7 feildgoals to give us the oppertunity sp to go ahead. I say hats off to the Defense and maybe the offense and Kubes will take a lesson and play the game the way it is supposed to be played.
Joe,
I hear what you're saying but it's not so much bashing the defense as they held the Tinnbreads to field goals, but their inability to make a stop when really, really, REALLY needed (i.e. not allowing them to move the length of the field in under a minute). A defense can play well for 59 minutes, but if they can't make a game winning stop, then the onus is on them.
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yeah, getting scored on 10 times in a game is always something to be proud of....or not.

Face it, this whole team stinks, once again.

Oh, except they have 'heart' now, so that accounts for something I hear.
According to you, we had a good O-line. What happened to that?



The fact is, I have a lot of respect for this defense after Sunday's game. Our offense couldn't move the ball for three quarters of football. The defense was out there playing their asses off to keep us in that game and to give the offense a chance.

The loss is on the offense, plain and simple. They couldn't get anything done until the fourth quarter, and that is bad football. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to have their brain scanned.
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I'm sort of torn about how the defense played..on the one hand the Titans could have hung 60 on the Texans had the defense not stepped up...

on the other hand they had multiple scoring opportunities so the ship had a leak in it somewhere.

And that pass Collins throw was perfect...perfect....and he had time to throw.
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If our defense cannot get inspired by ST recovering an on-side kick (twice in a row!) and an offensive effort by our BACKUPS, then they deserve all the criticism they get.

It was LESS THAN A MINUTE that they had to hold for us to have one of the greatest games in Texans history. Less than a freakin' minute!! And they failed. That's all there is to it.
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The Titans are well coached although Coach Fisher looked like he had suffered a concussion there when the game was over...and was it just me but they really didn't celebrate that much...jumping on the kicker and all like most teams do when they kick a game winning throw.

The whole team was deficient yesterday. The offense was high schoolish for 3 quarters and the defense was bend but don't break...they need a defense that doesn't even bend.

The Titans about killed Schaub yesterday...he looked like Carr out there.

That surprised me. I did not know they had such a good D line.
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If our defense cannot get inspired by ST recovering an on-side kick (twice in a row!) and an offensive effort by our BACKUPS, then they deserve all the criticism they get.

It was LESS THAN A MINUTE that they had to hold for us to have one of the greatest games in Texans history. Less than a freakin' minute!! And they failed. That's all there is to it.
I have to agree with all of the above. THIS was their chance to live up to even a tiny bit of their potential. We had ALL the momentum in the world.

All they had to do was stop an already average Titans offense who didn't even have it's greatest weapon - Vince Young. All they had to do was stop them ONE TIME and what did we get instead...

They didn't even have to use a single one of their three time outs!! The defense totally rolled over on that last drive. I get that they were exhausted - but you don't think the offense was exhausted after taking a beating for 3 quarters - then frantically scoring 29 points in the 4th?

Sorry, I think the defense deserves the criticism they get.
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According to you, we had a good O-line. What happened to that?
uhhhh, we lost one of our best linemen awhile back?

I thought you were smarter than that...
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I have to agree with all of the above. THIS was their chance to live up to even a tiny bit of their potential. We had ALL the momentum in the world.

All they had to do was stop an already average Titans offense who didn't even have it's greatest weapon - Vince Young. All they had to do was stop them ONE TIME and what did we get instead...

They didn't even have to use a single one of their three time outs!! The defense totally rolled over on that last drive. I get that they were exhausted - but you don't think the offense was exhausted after taking a beating for 3 quarters - then frantically scoring 29 points in the 4th?

Sorry, I think the defense deserves the criticism they get.
Yea, I think the offense was pretty rested, considering they only got three first downs in the first three quarters.

The defense deserves a better offense.
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Yea, I think the offense was pretty rested, considering they only got three first downs in the first three quarters.

The defense deserves a better offense.
Whatever 'rest' they got from not getting first downs was replaced by them getting the living s**t kicked out of them. They were just as exhausted, I promise you.
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I thought our defense played well also. I understand 38 points to a back up QB, etc...and thats completely relevant but the following are the reasons why I think Tennessee's offense was so productive even though our defense played pretty well.

Houston Offensive Series:
1. Fumble on the 2nd play
2. 3 and out: PUNT
3. Interception on the 5th play.
4. 3 and out: PUNT
5. 3 and out: PUNT
6. 3 and out: PUNT
7. Fumble on the 2nd play.
....halftime.....
8. Interception on the 3rd play.
9. 3 and out: PUNT

There was our first 9 drives and the first 3 quarters. Our offense was utterly pathetic and keeping a defense on the field that long and that often is detrimental to a team. We need to get our OL build up because they are letting every single team get after our QB and not opening lanes for our RB's. Salaam has let more guys in his backfield than Pamela Anderson.
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I'm with you Joe. I don't fault the defense at all on this one. They were out on the field for 20 minutes of clock time during the first half alone - 2/3rds of the half. When the offense goes out there for 5 minutes at a time, and gets less yards than time it takes for me to walk into the stadium from the parking lot - I don't blame the defense. They're going to be a step slower by the end.

Coming around in the fourth quarter is too late. I don't think the offense broke a sweat until then. Imagine if half of those field goals were touchdowns. The defense made 8 stops in the redzone that resulted in FGs. If half of those were touchdowns there would have been 16 additional points on the board. The defense is not to blame here. It was a nice 4th quarter rally, but the offense has to play for the other 3 quarters too. This is not a 15 minute game.
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Hey, I'm not blaming the defense for the loss. Far from it - I'm just saying that just as they don't deserve all the blame - they certainly deserve a share of it.

Again, they gave up 422 yards to an already average offense without their best weapon. It was a team loss. Offense, defense, ST, coaching, all the way down the line.
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