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Old 10-22-2007   #61
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I watched the hit a few times to see, and it looked like AH had his head completely off to the side of Schaub's... so if there was helmet-to-helmet contact it was incidental and very minor. BUT I agree with the call - refs have to call the way they see it, and in the case of helmet-to-helmet contact, I'd rather see them err on the side of caution. Call it when it's incidental.
The hit could have been flagged as either helmet to helmet or driving the QB into the ground. As a helmet to helmet call it was ticky tacky. That said, it was text book driving the QB into the ground. No D players can't stop themselves on a dime but Pereira demonstrated a play just like this last year as one which was going to get flagged. You can compare that play to when Kalu hit Collins as he released the ball and did not get flagged but he didn't drive Collins into the ground.
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Old 10-22-2007   #62
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The driving in the ground rule I thought demanded the defender takes a QB off his feet and then brings him to the ground (Warran Sapp on Bledsoe comes to mind). I wasn't aware it applies to pressing a QB down like a pancake.

In any case, like I said, the NFL has rules now that make non-dirty hits illegal hits on QB's. Anyone else, it's fine.
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The homers don't want to hear this but at the game...live, it looked like a crap call. I don't know how a 350 pound man is supposed to stop in one step. Schaub was destroyed due to a bad line and bad schemes or a combination of both. I don't know Men that size are supposed to pull up running full speed in a nanosecond.
That's exactly how I saw it.

Haynseworth has a lot of baggage regarding his character but it looked like a good solid tackle.

Go lower or try to pull up & throw his hands up,there's a good chance Schaub completes the pass.

I hope Schaub is OK,no doubt there'll be a press release tomorrow.
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I thought it was a clean sack and I'd love to see the same nasty streak in Mario.
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The homers don't want to hear this but at the game...live, it looked like a crap call. I don't know how a 350 pound man is supposed to stop in one step. Schaub was destroyed due to a bad line and bad schemes or a combination of both. I don't know Men that size are supposed to pull up running full speed in a nanosecond.
Glad you made it to the game Vinny. Hope you had fun!

I have to disagree with you in this case. I think you know I'm not one to have a ton of pure homer takes. I'm not saying he could have avoided hitting him. But, he followed through with a ferocious hit and did a pile driver on him right into the ground. It's very clear on replay. If you haven't seen it do so. Even more upsetting to me was his comments afterward. His comments to me confirm my initial impression - that he was trying to put him out of the game.
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The hit wasn't as bad as the comments.

But the hit itself should have been a penalty.

No you can't stop on a dime, but you can ease the weight of your fall...

Players do it all the time...
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The whole reason I started this thread was due to his comments after the game, not the hit itself. I personally don't have an issue with the hit.
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With regards to the hit, I wish we had d-linemen with mean streaks like that. We seem to get players that are niiiiiiiiiiiiice and smile pretty.

The comments were trashy, but it's not the first and it won't be the last time that a player says something stupid after a game.
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The sad part is that his comments are completely accurate.
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He's a human piece of crap. He is worse than Michael Vick as a person, IMO. He intentionally mauled an opponent's face with his cleats and is basically an a-hole. I really want him to have a career-ending injury.
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What bothers me is not neccessarly the hit itself, but the fact that

NOT ONE OF THE TEXANS DEFENSIVE PLAYERS RETALIATED AND LAYED A LICK ON COLLINS!!!! NOT ONE!!!!

I don't care if we get a 15 yard penalty, someone should have planted Kerry Collins. You don't let anyone treat your Qb like that.

A lot of things bothered me about yesterday's game, and this was one of them. Don't let the comback fool you, the Texans got their butts handed to them yesterday.
Ahman Green knocked him HARD in his chest and downed him. Haynesworth was injured and the referees called an injury timeout. That's retalitation enough for me.
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I just wished our D could applied that same hit to Collins on 3rd and 10 and the end of the game - without the helmet to helmet 15yd penalty of course.
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A big burly guy that likes to hurt people? Sounds like a great DT to me. Yep, he's a dirty player, but there are tons of D-Linemen that are. What he did to Gurode last year was bull****, but his hit on Schaub didn't seem intentionally dirty to me.

Maybe its the old D-lineman in me, but if you have a shot at a QB while he still has the ball, you are going to go for it. I rather have something like that than the huggy bear tackle the Giants' DE put on VY last year, letting him run off scot free.
It wasnt the hit, it was the way he drove him into the ground. They call that. Its all in the intrest of protecting the QB. But, it goes back to what I said about Green, Qb's need to be football players too. But they call guys for hits like that all the time, so live with it. And I agree kinda with your second comment. We need a revolving door of starter DT's all year. Playing the Colts? Bobson youre in. The Saints? Send in Smithson. Just put guys out there to take a 15 yrd penalty and let em know you play football. Im not saying dive for knees, but ring em on the chin as he goes OOB.
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What bothers me is not neccessarly the hit itself, but the fact that

NOT ONE OF THE TEXANS DEFENSIVE PLAYERS RETALIATED AND LAYED A LICK ON COLLINS!!!! NOT ONE!!!!

I don't care if we get a 15 yard penalty, someone should have planted Kerry Collins. You don't let anyone treat your Qb like that.

A lot of things bothered me about yesterday's game, and this was one of them. Don't let the comback fool you, the Texans got their butts handed to them yesterday.
Hey...I'm still pissed that the Colt's kicker who took out one of our return guys (by flinging to the ground after he'd already taken him out of bounds) wasn't spitting up his own blood at the end of the game....but that's just me. If you're a kicker and you want to give out shots...be prepared to take 10 times what you gave missy. The man is right. Your'e supposed to respond to a hard hit...with a MUCH harder one.
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The Texans players should have retaliated - against Salaam who didn't lay a finger on Haynesworth and let him smack Schaub. He's the guy that they should have beat down in the huddle.
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