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Old 10-22-2007   #41
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I haven't re-watched the game yet. But I've been hearing on the radio the fatal blow was after the whistle. Is this not true?
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You people are delusional. He's not boasting, he's stating the obvious - when you can knock out the opposing team's starting QB, who is good at that, you put your team at a nice advantage. Injuries are part of the game, and when you hit someone hard and you cause one you shouldn't feel remorseful, you did good for your team. If VY was playing and he was taken out by Okoye with a devastating hit like AH's, you don't think the Texans D would be giving him some pats on the back? get real.
You cheer for the hit....

Not the injury...

And YOU are delusional...

Haynesworth is the only athlete that I've ever heard come out and brag about injuring another player...You trying to justify it and make it sound rational only shows the level at which you operate...

You have to be on one of the lower forms of human life if you think that it's o.k. for a player to rejoice about injuring another player....
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I haven't re-watched the game yet. But I've been hearing on the radio the fatal blow was after the whistle. Is this not true?
No, it wasn't after the whistle. If he wouldn't have hit him in the head, it probably wouldn't have been called.
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What bothers me is not neccessarly the hit itself, but the fact that

NOT ONE OF THE TEXANS DEFENSIVE PLAYERS RETALIATED AND LAYED A LICK ON COLLINS!!!! NOT ONE!!!!

I don't care if we get a 15 yard penalty, someone should have planted Kerry Collins. You don't let anyone treat your Qb like that.

A lot of things bothered me about yesterday's game, and this was one of them. Don't let the comback fool you, the Texans got their butts handed to them yesterday.
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No, you see you've misundetstood - I don't agree rejoicing about an injured player is fine, I disagree he rejoiced at all. He simply pointed out Schaub leaving was good for the Titans (Deeerrrr).

He wasn't boasting he injured someone, he's not that dumb. But he's also not really super smart either and I think he probably didn't realize what he was saying could be taken that way.
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You cheer for the hit....

Not the injury...

And YOU are delusional...

Haynesworth is the only athlete that I've ever heard come out and brag about injuring another player...You trying to justify it and make it sound rational only shows the level at which you operate...

You have to be on one of the lower forms of human life if you think that it's o.k. for a player to rejoice about injuring another player....
You must not have spent much time around organized football then.

Butkus loved injuring people by the way.
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No, you see you've misundetstood - I don't agree rejoicing about an injured player is fine, I disagree he rejoiced at all. He simply pointed out Schaub leaving was good for the Titans (Deeerrrr).

He wasn't boasting he injured someone, he's not that dumb. But he's also not really super smart either and I think he probably didn't realize what he was saying could be taken that way.

How is saying this pointing out that it was best that Schaub left the game?

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Wow strong reaction.

Come on people honestly this is football, the hit wasn't crazy. He was trying to get to the QB while he had to the ball (like they were doing all game up to that point) and landed on top of him.

The guy is ~6'6" 325 he doesn't stop fast. It takes more than a split second for someone that big to stop his momentum. You honestly expect him to grab twist and craddle Schaub to the ground carefully?

Helmet to helmet wasn't bad, but it did happen and drew the flags. I agree with flagging him for that. The hit though wasn't bad, he's just a monster that fell on top of a QB. Unfortunately it did injure Schaub, I'm not proud or glad that happened, but it is part of the game. Our starter was on the sidelines too.
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That's where it starts to get confusing - as I said, he isn't super smart, I think he probably didn't really think what he was saying through. Also keep in mind he said "I guess" after saying it was good to knock Schaub out. Somtimes context gets lost in translation from audio byte to internet text, "I guess" is like saying "on the other hand". "We probably would have won 35-7 with Schaub in, but on the other hand, him being out was probably a good thing". It doesn't make much sense but I'm certain it's what he meant.

You're all reading waaaayy too much into it. Take offence at his suggestion Schaub wouldn't have done much - fine - but to say that's boasting after an injury is a major major stretch.
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Errr, yeah it sure looks late:



(sorry about the res, it's from the NFL.com video. But yeah, that's him not even fully releasing the ball yet).

Sorry dude, that's not late.

And he didn't "pile drive" him, he crushed him while bear hugging him. He didn't slam him, he simply fell on him. It's a pretty effective way of bringing a player down when you're playing tackle football. And to suggest he intentionally tried to injure him is just nonsense, players get tackled like that all the time, when you're a big guy you'll generally come down hard on players.

And fining for comments, are you serious? Way to take a bad loss out on one player.

Dude your just having a homer take because Haynesorth is a flaming meatball. Take off your Bud glasses, get the tacks out of your rear, and face reality. I've been watching football for parts of 4 decades. I think I know a late, intentially forceful hit when I see one. If you can't tell the difference between a player letting up after the ball is thrown and one intentially trying to pile drive the QB into the ground I don't know what to tell you. Obviousely, the refs agreed with me, as he drew a 15 yard penalty. And, I'll make you a side bet. Haynesworth will be fined for the hit and comments about the play.
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Wow strong reaction.

Come on people honestly this is football, the hit wasn't crazy. He was trying to get to the QB while he had to the ball (like they were doing all game up to that point) and landed on top of him.

The guy is ~6'6" 325 he doesn't stop fast. It takes more than a split second for someone that big to stop his momentum. You honestly expect him to grab twist and craddle Schaub to the ground carefully?

Helmet to helmet wasn't bad, but it did happen and drew the flags. I agree with flagging him for that. The hit though wasn't bad, he's just a monster that fell on top of a QB. Unfortunately it did injure Schaub, I'm not proud or glad that happened, but it is part of the game. Our starter was on the sidelines too.
I'm not saying the hit was dirty, or that it was beyond the context of the game of football.

All I'm saying, and this is being critical of my own team, is that much like pitchers protecting their teammates, someone on the Texans D should have protected Matt Schaub.

I'm sure you would feel the same way if someone did that to VY.
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The homers don't want to hear this but at the game...live, it looked like a crap call. I don't know how a 350 pound man is supposed to stop in one step. Schaub was destroyed due to a bad line and bad schemes or a combination of both. I don't know Men that size are supposed to pull up running full speed in a nanosecond.
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What bothers me is not neccessarly the hit itself, but the fact that

NOT ONE OF THE TEXANS DEFENSIVE PLAYERS RETALIATED AND LAYED A LICK ON COLLINS!!!! NOT ONE!!!!
If you have no pass rushing skills...you don't get a chance to hit the QB much. Mario is a JAG player...he is "just a guy" and we get no pressure unless we blitz. This defense will be awful until they fix the pass rush.
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Dude your just having a homer take because Haynesorth is a flaming meatball. Take off your Bud glasses, get the tacks out of your rear, and face reality. I've been watching football for parts of 4 decades. I think I know a late, intentially forceful hit when I see one. If you can't tell the difference between a player letting up after the ball is thrown and one intentially trying to pile drive the QB into the ground I don't know what to tell you. Obviousely, the refs agreed with me, as he drew a 15 yard penalty. And, I'll make you a side bet. Haynesworth will be fined for the hit and comments about the play.
lol right, I'm the homer. Takes two to tango buddy.

Plus the 15 yarder was for helmet to helmet (face mask to face mask). Gets your facts straight.

Fine or not, doesn't matter. The NFL has gotten to the point now where an "illegal" hit on a QB isn't necessarily dirty, as in this case. He was fined for slamming MJD to the ground in week 1 when he was running forward still, AH has a rep now and will be hit a lot more because of it.

BTW a fan as seasoned as yourself should know 99% of defensive linemen in this league will hit a QB hard when he can, regardless of if he thinks the ball will maybe or maybe not get cleanly out, wake the hell up. And the fact the hit did indeed impact his throw is kinda pointing towards the "maybe not" if you ask me, he had perfect reason to lay a hard hit and he did.
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Dude your just having a homer take because Haynesorth is a flaming meatball. Take off your Bud glasses, get the tacks out of your rear, and face reality. I've been watching football for parts of 4 decades. I think I know a late, intentially forceful hit when I see one. If you can't tell the difference between a player letting up after the ball is thrown and one intentially trying to pile drive the QB into the ground I don't know what to tell you. Obviousely, the refs agreed with me, as he drew a 15 yard penalty. And, I'll make you a side bet. Haynesworth will be fined for the hit and comments about the play.
I'm sure he'll be fined, but if you noticed the penalty it wasn't for the hit, driving him into the ground, or the severity of hitting him. It was because their heads hit eachother.

(1:00) (Shotgun) 8-M.Schaub pass incomplete short left to 11-A.Davis [92-A.Haynesworth]. HOU-8-M.Schaub was injured during the play. PENALTY on TEN-92-A.Haynesworth, Roughing the Passer, 15 yards, enforced at HOU 21 - No Play. (HOU #8 Schaub injured by helmet to helmet contact with TEN #92. Haynesworth)

Pass didn't come out too well, he knew he was going to take a shot and tried to get rid of it.
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If you have no pass rushing skills...you don't get a chance to hit the QB much. Mario is a JAG player...he is "just a guy" and we get no pressure unless we blitz. This defense will be awful until they fix the pass rush.
I think Mario is out of position. I think he will be much better full time on the strongside.

Beside the point. Can't let anyone hit your QB like that. JMO.
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I'm not saying the hit was dirty, or that it was beyond the context of the game of football.

All I'm saying, and this is being critical of my own team, is that much like pitchers protecting their teammates, someone on the Texans D should have protected Matt Schaub.

I'm sure you would feel the same way if someone did that to VY.
Sure, I can understand that. In all seriousness though, maybe they wanted to keep KFC in, because VY was the only QB left if he went out. KFC doesn't orchestrate a game winning drive with a minute to go very often.
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I think Mario is out of position. I think he will be much better full time on the strongside.

Beside the point. Can't let anyone hit your QB like that. JMO.
Mario will always get slammed as long as he doesn't get 3 sacks a game. He isn't doing horrible, its just that he isn't doing great either so he is playing in mediocre land. Not many of the rooks from his draft class or doing better though, as I said it takes time with a Dlineman to develop people are just going to have to be patient.
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i thought the 2nd haynesworth hit was clean. Thats a football play. I was more irate at the first play, where schaub got hit by two people who stayed on top of him ripping at his arms for like 10 seconds...that was cheap
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I watched the hit a few times to see, and it looked like AH had his head completely off to the side of Schaub's... so if there was helmet-to-helmet contact it was incidental and very minor. BUT I agree with the call - refs have to call the way they see it, and in the case of helmet-to-helmet contact, I'd rather see them err on the side of caution. Call it when it's incidental. Call it when it looks too close for their comfort. In the Sun night game a Den player clearly went helmet-to-helmet on a Pit returner on the kickoff and it wasn't called. They have to be more consistent about that. Anyway, AHs hit appeared to be a good, clean hit... and sometimes good, clean hits should still be flagged.

As for Haynesworth, he's not nearly the monster that a lot of people portray him as - but he is a bad combination of aggressive and occasionally very stupid. He's like every good defensive player - he likes the big hit. I was disappointed in his comments, even though I don't think he meant it quite the way it came out. Talk trash before and during the game - after the game it's time to bring the class out, and especially when talking about a player who was injured.

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