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Old 10-21-2007   #1
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When I watched the game, it was obvious the O line was completely dominated by the Titans D-line. The running game was shutdown. Schaub was getting no time to throw and no protection. Give the Titans D some credit. Their front D is awesome, along with out OL not being very good.

But I see that some are still blaming bad playcalling. So here's the question.

What kinds of plays can be called to offset getting beat in the trenches?
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When I watched the game, it was obvious the O line was completely dominated by the Titans D-line. The running game was shutdown. Schaub was getting no time to throw and no protection. Give the Titans D some credit. Their front D is awesome, along with out OL not being very good.

But I see that some are still blaming bad playcalling. So here's the question.

What kinds of plays can be called to offset getting beat in the trenches?
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I don't watch the OL close enough beyond the point that I can tell they're getting their butts kicked. Did any of them play well today? Do we have any players worth keeping around for next year on the line?
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What kinds of plays can be called to offset getting beat in the trenches?
I refer you to the quick hitch, hooks, slants, flat passes of the glorious Carr era.
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What kinds of plays can be called to offset getting beat in the trenches?
They need to design plays that play to the line's strengths.

The first play would leverage the fact that Salaam can play both left and right tackle at the same mediocre level.

Next they need to have a play where Flanagan's locker room persona can open a hole for the RB.

Finally, when it is 3rd and goal and one yard to go, Salaam and Flanagan need to stand up and announce they formerly played for Kubiak and Sherman on other teams, possibly in lyrical fashion. 6 points, guaranteed.


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When I watched the game, it was obvious the O line was completely dominated by the Titans D-line. The running game was shutdown. Schaub was getting no time to throw and no protection. Give the Titans D some credit. Their front D is awesome, along with out OL not being very good.

But I see that some are still blaming bad playcalling. So here's the question.

What kinds of plays can be called to offset getting beat in the trenches?
We were ineffective in the red-zone against the Jags, but moved the ball downfield between the 20s in a very effective manner in that game.
In this game we couldn't move the ball at all until the 4th Q. I dunno, but as good as the Titans front 4 might be, I don't think they are that much better than the Jags front 4, if at all.
So why did the Texans OLine perform so much better on the road against the Jags last week than against a vinceless Titans D in Reliant this week ?
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Use their agressiveness against them with counters, screens and quick passes. However our lack of explosion at RB and a DNP'ing AJ makes those things hard to do.
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Use their agressiveness against them with counters, screens and quick passes. However our lack of explosion at RB and a DNP'ing AJ makes those things hard to do.
Is this not the same playcalling that everyone here complained about when Carr was QB and Doom wandered the sidelines?

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Default Re: Can playcalling overcome a manhandled OL?

They are what they are, and nothing can change that except coaching and new talent. I expect next year we will see some new talent.
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Default Re: Can playcalling overcome a manhandled OL?

So again, to hammer home the point . . .

If the O-line is getting totally dominated, how can you blame the playcalling?
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So again, to hammer home the point . . .

If the O-line is getting totally dominated, how can you blame the playcalling?
I know why we can't run screen passes ... we have matadors for guards .
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Is this not the same playcalling that everyone here complained about when Carr was QB and Doom wandered the sidelines?

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The difference is different teams have different strengths and weaknesses. In the past we thought we could out "execute" them and run our plays. Same plays over and over. It got us...well high draft picks every year.

I believe we now have enough Offensive minded people to take advantage of the other teams weaknesses and use their strengths against them. Game plans should for the most part change week in and week out.

So I say yes, play calling can help an inconsistent OL.
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No.. it might be able to buy a little time as far as staying in a game, but unequivocally no.
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So I say yes, play calling can help an inconsistent OL.
You call that performance today by our OL "inconsistent"?

Well, IMO, using "inconsistent" to describe the OL's play today, is just looking for an excuse to lay the blame somewhere else.
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I think literally one guy is safe to keep and put stock into on that line.

Eric Winston. That is it. That is the only guy that I hardly ever see beat and I think he will hold down that sopt for a long time to come.

Now Salaam...he has to go. Maybe he can be a leader, but he can do it on the bench or the inactive list, hell Kalu seems to do it. He is hurting this team and he's going to get Schaub killed out there. Pitts is alright, he isn't horrible but he isn't nothing to get excited about, same can be said with Weary but IMO a little bit better than Pitts. Flanagan falls in the same line as Salaam.

So yeah, one guy I feel for sure that can start for us next year and that is Winston. I agree that the playcalling isn't as bad as some make it seem. We can't run the ball so Kubiak is being limited because on running plays our Oline is getting handled.
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You call that performance today by our OL "inconsistent"?

Oh. I thought he said "incontinent".
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You call that performance today by our OL "inconsistent"?

Well, IMO, using "inconsistent" to describe the OL's play today, is just looking for an excuse to lay the blame somewhere else.
Did that say OUR offensive line?

Truth of the matter is they have been Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

Do tell where do you think the blame should be placed?
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I really thought Pitts, Weary and Winston where the answer for us long term.

This years run game makes me quetion this. Or is A.Green that over done??
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I really thought Pitts, Weary and Winston where the answer for us long term.

This years run game makes me quetion this. Or is A.Green that over done??
IMO I would keep Weary and Pitts for the next year, C and LT are bigger needs than them. As for Winston he is playing good right now, I wouldn't mess with him.

As for Green, he's alright. He's not a RB that can break a tackle in the backfield or otherwise make a negative play positive. Those are guys like LT, Peterson, even Lynch. Otherwise he's not a RB that can make the Oline look good, not any more IMO. He seems to be on his last legs.
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