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Old 10-22-2007   #41
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I remember that play...

Terrible display by Mario...


But I'm starting to think that maybe Mario is what he is.

A good player, great athlete that will make some plays and look like a beast on occasion, but will also have plays and games that dissapoint. I don't think he will be consitently terrible, but I don't know if he's capable of being consitently dominant either.
Rookies and young players hardly do deliver consistently, that is the thing.

VY has yet to do it, Reggie has yet to do it. Its rare that rookies do come in the NFL and deliver consistently, we got one (DeMeco) that pretty much does. So I don't expect consistency out of him early, and I wouldn't until his 4th season. I know for some people that sounds crazy but in most professional leagues you give a guy 3 seasons to prove himself.
As of right now he is doing okay, some games he does good and gets pressure(yet never finishes, he leaves a lot of sacks on the field and he is supposed to be fast) and some games he disappears. The same thing could be said for VY and Bush, its just when they have a bad game people say "Its okay, they'll get it." Mario doesn't seem to have that space.
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The same thing could be said for VY and Bush, its just when they have a bad game people say "Its okay, they'll get it." Mario doesn't seem to have that space.
I don't like comparing the development of RB's and QB's to D-linemen...

But VY and RB seem to have a natural ability to make plays on the football field...

Yeah they have limitations too, but they both seem to have pretty good football instincts....

I can't say that for Mario, and that is what makes me wonder about how good he'll be...

I know he'll get better..but that's not the issue...

I more concerned with how much better, because he needs to make exponential improvement to be considered an impact player...
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I don't like comparing the development of RB's and QB's to D-linemen...

But VY and RB seem to have a natural ability to make plays on the football field...

Yeah they have limitations too, but they both seem to have pretty good football instincts....

I can't say that for Mario, and that is what makes me wonder about how good he'll be...

I know he'll get better..but that's not the issue...

I more concerned with how much better, because he needs to make exponential improvement to be considered an impact player...

The development of a QB is quite slow, teams wait years hoping their young QB will finally have their breakout season, I know we did.

Development for a RB is quite fast, since their careers are short they usually start producing consistently their 2nd year.

DEs and DTs are around 3-4 seasons though. People will always bring up the exceptions Dwight Freeney and Peppers, but that is what they are exceptions. Also Mario has made plays they just seem to go unnoticed or forgotten next sunday it seems. Was he not the guy that caused a important fumble against the Colts, was he not the guy that took a fumble and returned it to the house, was he not the guy that tipped a potential game winning pass last year against the Fins?

My point was young player are inconsistent their first few years, some guys are fast learners and some are not. I just feel like people have a short patience with the guy.
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The development of a QB is quite slow, teams wait years hoping their young QB will finally have their breakout season, I know we did.

Development for a RB is quite fast, since their careers are short they usually start producing consistently their 2nd year.

DEs and DTs are around 3-4 seasons though. People will always bring up the exceptions Dwight Freeney and Peppers, but that is what they are exceptions. Also Mario has made plays they just seem to go unnoticed or forgotten next sunday it seems. Was he not the guy that caused a important fumble against the Colts, was he not the guy that took a fumble and returned it to the house, was he not the guy that tipped a potential game winning pass last year against the Fins?

My point was young player are inconsistent their first few years, some guys are fast learners and some are not. I just feel like people have a short patience with the guy.

That really has nothing to do with looking at how a player is playing. It might take 3 years to get the desired results from a D-lineman (AKA lots of sacks), but it doesn't take long to look at a player and see a lack of football instinct...

I've really yet to see Mario make a "smart" football play...or an instinctive move....

I was happy for Mario when he recovered that fumble and all, but there was really nothing that impressive about it...He even pretty much said himself that he wasn't about to get up and run with it until Amobi told him to...soooo...I dunno...
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That really has nothing to do with looking at how a player is playing. It might take 3 years to get the desired results from a D-lineman (AKA lots of sacks), but it doesn't take long to look at a player and see a lack of football instinct...

I've really yet to see Mario make a "smart" football play...or an instinctive move....

I was happy for Mario when he recovered that fumble and all, but there was really nothing that impressive about it...He even pretty much said himself that he wasn't about to get up and run with it until Amobi told him to...soooo...I dunno...
Mario could get a sack and downplay, he always downplays the plays he makes because he's a humble guy.

Here's the point Mario has shown flashes, he has good games and he has made plays. Period. Nothing special about the fumble recovery yet when it happened there was something special about it, the same game he had 2 sacks and everyone was saying "Reggie Who?" when he played that game it the Dlines failures it seems.
was special then but now it is downplayed and Mario takes the blame for all the dlines failures.

My point on that is, the guy has had his moments he just needs to get consistent. And there are many guys in his draft class who have consistency problems as well.
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Mario could get a sack and downplay, he always downplays the plays he makes because he's a humble guy.

Here's the point Mario has shown flashes, he has good games and he has made plays. Period. Nothing special about the fumble recovery yet when it happened there was something special about it, the same game he had 2 sacks and everyone was saying "Reggie Who?" when he played that game it the Dlines failures it seems.
was special then but now it is downplayed and Mario takes the blame for all the dlines failures.

My point on that is, the guy has had his moments he just needs to get consistent. And there are many guys in his draft class who have consistency problems as well.

I guess flashes to you are not the same as flashes to me.


I've really only seen one Mario sack that I thought he just flat out beat his man on...

I give him credit for the other sacks he's gotten, I just don't think they were all that impressive...

I guess we can just agree to disagree because I really have seen nothing from Mario--other than his size, speed and strength--that would indicate he is going to be a dominant....

I've gone back and forth with this because I have see a lot of things out of Mario that I have liked...But he lacks the one thing that I like to see out of players...especially defensive players...

That is natural instincts.

I hope Mario turns into a force, but until he does he isn't.

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What I haven't seen from Mario is (even though this may not be PC - I don't care) VIOLENCE!!!!.... He should be the meanest, nastiest SOB on the field (within the rules of course)...
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Mario played on bad feet all last year. It's quite possible he set some mental bad habits because of playing with bad feet that he needs to get rid of. In any case, this is his first real year to play healthy. It's almost halfway through the season and he isn't playing like a 1st round pick, but rather a lower round pick who is still learning.

He needs to pick up the pace. I still have faith in him, but he needs to start showing up to the games and playing for what he is: a top draft pick.
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Kubiak actually liked the play of Mario in the presser. Says he got 7 tackles and 3 pressures. Of course he said he wanted Mario to take it to a pro bowl level.
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Kubiak actually liked the play of Mario in the presser. Says he got 7 tackles and 3 pressures. Of course he said he wanted Mario to take it to a pro bowl level.
Which is quite funny because statistically that is a good game for a DE, but some people are not going to notice it because they look at the Dline's failure and automatically put it on Mario.

Mario actually gets a lot of hurries or pressures, he just never closes in for a guy with speed he should.
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I guess flashes to you are not the same as flashes to me.


I've really only seen one Mario sack that I thought he just flat out beat his man on...

I give him credit for the other sacks he's gotten, I just don't think they were all that impressive...

I guess we can just agree to disagree because I really have seen nothing from Mario--other than his size, speed and strength--that would indicate he is going to be a dominant....

I've gone back and forth with this because I have see a lot of things out of Mario that I have liked...But he lacks the one thing that I like to see out of players...especially defensive players...

That is natural instincts.

I hope Mario turns into a force, but until he does he isn't.
Which is exactly what can be said for most of the young players in any pro league.

Other than DeMeco Ryans, MJD, Addai...someone I am missing? Other than those guys who has proved to the league that they are a force? That is continuing their success into this season also.
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Which is exactly what can be said for most of the young players in any pro league.

Other than DeMeco Ryans, MJD, Addai...someone I am missing? Other than those guys who has proved to the league that they are a force? That is continuing their success into this season also.
Manny Lawson wasn't doing too bad for himself before he got injured...


But really that is not relevant...

Mario was the number 1 Overall selcetion in a draft full of studs...

No it wasn't his fault, but that has nothing to do with my expectations of him...


Mario's "mere presence" was supposed to make other players better...I think he will be consistently good at the least...But given the circumstances I just expect so much more....

Getting stiff armed to the ground by Lindell White is under achieving expectations IMO....
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Kubiak actually liked the play of Mario in the presser. Says he got 7 tackles and 3 pressures. Of course he said he wanted Mario to take it to a pro bowl level.
Asked about Mario Williams, Kubiak said: "He played pretty good yesterday; he graded out well. I think he had seven tackles. He had three quarterback pressures. We continue to try to get more out of him. I say that, and when I say what I mean is that I think for our football team to reach another level of play, he's got to continue to find another gear. Is his gear good now? Yeah, it's pretty darn good, but we need Mario to become a great, great player - a Pro Bowl player for a long, long time for our organization. So we're going to keep pushing him. Was his effort pretty good yesterday? Did he play well? Yes, he did."

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I dunno is this really what Kubiak thinks in his heart of hearts or is it just a protective type of response to shield Mario from criticism ? The Chrons Richard Justice says that Mario is becoming a big-time jerk with the media.
Apparently he's already had too much fun with all the continuing talk about
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I don't know--a statement that he needs to get better and they are continuing to push him seems to recognize weakness. Coaches just aren't going to throw players under the bus the way fans like to.
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VY and RB have both stepped up in the clutch when their teams needed them, Mario has yet to do this. I would have loved a big sack to stop Collins on sunday during the last drive.

VY is established
Reggie is comming into his own and starting to be a leader
AJ Hawk is wrecking Shop
Hopefully Mario will follow
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VY and RB have both stepped up in the clutch when their teams needed them, Mario has yet to do this. I would have loved a big sack to stop Collins on sunday during the last drive.

VY is established
Reggie is comming into his own and starting to be a leader
AJ Hawk is wrecking Shop
Hopefully Mario will follow
Of course it is very difficult for you to quantify this, that is why you have not.
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apple & real, you guys really need to go back and break down each play of every single game to aprreciate the job Mario has done this year.

He's our best lineman.
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He's our best lineman.

Ok ? And?

What does that do ?



You need to go back and review my post history about Mario. I've given the guy plenty of props.
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Ok ? And?

What does that do ?



You need to go back and review my post history about Mario. I've given the guy plenty of props.
It wasn't a good idea that I put your name together with Apple (no knock to apple).

I understand that you are looking at it from a totally different angle.
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it should be a given Mario attracts double teams, but largely he has been handled one on one by LT's. he plays too high & gets locked up to deep into the body where they can control him with good technique. How many holding calls has he drawn? I can't think of any, to me if he is effective then he either gets better production or causes breakdowns on the corner where the tackle is forced to hold or get help. besides his speed around the corner of his bull rush inside what moves is he developing? where is the spin move, use of hands to slap/disengage from blocker only when he gets mad does he swim or rip the players away & thats the kind of urgency I wanted from Mario in that crucial last drive, just get to Collins once & blow up his confidence. I'm not seeing it happen without saying as much I think thats excatley what Kubiak said without beign as graphic or critical of
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