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Old 10-17-2007   #1
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Exclamation Thought on the Boulware-Babin trade 6 weeks later?

I thought it was a great move at first, but Boulware can't seen to get on the feild. Babin was really coming into his own before we traded him. Now I'm starting to second guess the whole trade!
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Default Re: Thought on the Boulware-Babin trade 6 weeks later?

I don't think Babin has played much for the Seahawks either.

I don't know about Boulware though, personally I thought he would be a improvement and the only time I saw him with extended play time was against the Colts, and since he did a bad job there I haven't seen him on the field that much after that.

I hope we didn't judge the guy off of playing against the Colts offense.

I give him the benefit of the doubt though, because he has good play in him, his first 2 years in the NFL he played well.

Also some of our safeties have been doing good, so that has helped him stay off the field. He's always making plays on special teams though it seems.
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Default Re: Thought on the Boulware-Babin trade 6 weeks later?

Per NFL.com

Babin has no recorded stats. Boulware has four tackles.

Neither are lighting it up...so far the whole thing gets a big "meh" from me.
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Default Re: Thought on the Boulware-Babin trade 6 weeks later?

I think he blocked a FG last week.
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I thought it was a great move at first, but Boulware can't seen to get on the feild. Babin was really coming into his own before we traded him. Now I'm starting to second guess the whole trade!
I don't know why everyone says that Boulware hasn't gotten to see the field. He's played a bunch of special teams and has gotten destroyed when playing defense....just lit up like a roman candle. That's the reason he isn't playing on d so much now. Neither team has gotten much out of the swap it seems...at least so far.
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Default Re: Thought on the Boulware-Babin trade 6 weeks later?

In generic terms, an effective edge rusher will always be more valuable than
a competent strong-safety. But I dunno, is one effective and the other competent ?
The Texans also seem to feel we have more depth at DE than SS. But bottom-line is it's a little early to draw conclusions.
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I think he blocked a FG last week.
Blocked the extra point but still a blocked kick when all is said and done. Had the game been close it could have made a difference. If you look at the game, we got close to blocking kicks several times. Whether it was him or not I'm not sure.

I've seen him on special teams quite a bit so I think he's contributing more than I remember Babin contributing. Not to mention when you see him in person he looks like someone you wouldn't want putting a hit on you.
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I think in the Babin trade, we traded away our best pass rusher...

Doesn't mean it was a bad trade, but time will tell....
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I think in the Babin trade, we traded away our best pass rusher...

Doesn't mean it was a bad trade, but time will tell....
Well his career stats do not seem to indicate he was any kind of pass rush threat. We have guys in the 6 week of the season approaching Babin's 16 game best sack total.

I am indifferent to the trade regardless. Babin was a huge reach when we drafted him and he has turned into a mediocre back up player much like Boulware.
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Default Re: Thought on the Boulware-Babin trade 6 weeks later?

Personally, I think that we've gotten the best out of this trade. Boulware has helped us a lot more than Babin has helped the Seahawks.

He's played a lot on special teams and has seen the field occasionally. I had hoped that he was going to be good enough to be a starter by this point but ... oh, well.
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Default Re: Thought on the Boulware-Babin trade 6 weeks later?

I'm saying compared to how much Boulware has helped us. If Babin would have never been traded, how much would he have helped the Team. Babin would have been better & more productive for the Texans than Boulware currently has, therefore we go the short end of the stick!
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Just a bad move!
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I'm saying compared to how much Boulware has helped us. If Babin would have never been traded, how much would he have helped the Team. Babin would have been better & more productive for the Texans than Boulware currently has, therefore we go the short end of the stick!
Dude.

Whatever.

You're not talking about difference makers. Babin wouldn't have given us that much more than what Boulware has given us so far and Boulware still has the possibility of giving us more. We would have had to cut Cochran or Anderson (or both), both of which have been OK in spot duty, and we still would have had to find someone to play strong safety behind CC.

The Boulware trade was good.
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Just a bad move!
How is it a bad move? Because Babin had a decent preseason? Whoopdidoo! Boulware hasn't done much for us, Babin hasn't done much for the Seahawks. I can't see any logic behind saying it's a bad trade.
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Default Re: Thought on the Boulware-Babin trade 6 weeks later?

We had a need at safety, we had extra at DE.
Babin was trade bait. Square deal.

No need really for what ifs, IMHO.
Boulware had been burnt badly a few times, but he had help some.
But this goes to show that we miss Earl and Simmons.

I never did like trading 3 picks for 1 when you are a young team.
I like Babin though. He played well the first year.
A shoulder injury slow him for almost 2 months in 05.

And well, really in the 4-3 that Kubiak wants to install when he came in, Babin was reduced to a specialist.

But if it's any consolation, the 3 picks that the tacs got out of the deal didn't pan out for them too well. (We might have done ourselves a little favor there.)
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I don't know why everyone says that Boulware hasn't gotten to see the field. He's played a bunch of special teams and has gotten destroyed when playing defense....just lit up like a roman candle. That's the reason he isn't playing on d so much now. Neither team has gotten much out of the swap it seems...at least so far.
I only saw him play a little defense against the Colts and I think that was at lb. Maybe I am just missing him when he gets put in the lineup.

I think the point some people are making is that had we kept Babin he would at least be seeing the field on passing rushing downs and probably getting some sacks. Seattle may not be using him the same or even playing him so comparing stats thus far to evalute the trade doesn't mean much at this point.

If all we eventually end up with is a special teamer then the Texans will be losers in this trade. Personally I don't think Richard Smith is doing a very good job with the defense. Bring on Frank Bush.
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How is it a bad move? Because Babin had a decent preseason? Whoopdidoo! Boulware hasn't done much for us, Babin hasn't done much for the Seahawks. I can't see any logic behind saying it's a bad trade.
I think he is talking about the opportunity cost of acquiring Boulware. Whatever impact Babin could have had for this team if the trade were not done.

What Babin has done in Seatle is almost irrelevant because who is to say he would have done the same here. The only question is if you believe Babin would have produced more this year than Boulware has. Personally, I think Babin would have a good year here, but I think Boulware can be our starting SS after learning the system (perhaps next year).

As of now, I think we got the short end of the stick so far. I have got to believe Babin would have produced here this year considering his fimiliarity with the system. However, I still think overall this will be looked at as a favorable trade for us.
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I'm saying compared to how much Boulware has helped us. If Babin would have never been traded, how much would he have helped the Team. Babin would have been better & more productive for the Texans than Boulware currently has, therefore we go the short end of the stick!
Um, so you are saying that Babin, a player that the FO was more then willing to let go would have help thei team...how? By being inavtice every week? Yo udo know that Seattle was desperate for D-line players, but I quess they are not desperate enough to play Babin (and that should tell you someting right there).

ugh...first VY man-love, now Babin man-love.
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Well his career stats do not seem to indicate he was any kind of pass rush threat. We have guys in the 6 week of the season approaching Babin's 16 game best sack total.
All the while our pass rush struggles...

I don't think it was a bad move, but I do think we traded our best pass rusher...
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Um, so you are saying that Babin, a player that the FO was more then willing to let go would have help thei team...how? By being inavtice every week? Yo udo know that Seattle was desperate for D-line players, but I quess they are not desperate enough to play Babin (and that should tell you someting right there).

ugh...first VY man-love, now Babin man-love.
What's wrong with Babin? I don't understand what you are trying to say here. Who says Babin would be inactive for us? That sounds like it would be a bad move by our staff if he were on the roster, to make him inactive for games. Did Babin not help the team last year? If your answer is yes he did, what is the difference in last year and this year? If your answer is no he did not, what is your logic behind this?
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