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Old 10-16-2007   #21
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Julius Peppers just got his first sack of the season this past week, and yet it barely makes news.

What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger, and in my eyes, what Mario is enduring with this b.s., is going to make him a hell of a tough player.
but Julius Peppers is proven...Mario isn't.............there's a big difference.
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This is actually the first I'm hearing of Mario getting owned by a reciever...

I didn't see it myself, but if this is true then that is really poor...
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to be honest I've stopped paying attention to mario on the field, because I've come to expect nothing from him...............
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Bush averaged 3.6 yards per carry last year. He's averaging 3.5 this year. Why is it exactly that he's supposed to be so much better than Mario?
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It's not a Mario Bash, it's a Mario Truth. Big difference. He has had exactly one game in his 20 some odd game career where he started to at least approach his supposed potential.
Yep

1st overall pick getting pancaked by a bust of a WR that he outweighs by about 90 pounds is a joke.

People can ***** about YPC all they want (and always forget catches) but Bush carried his team Sunday Night. Reggie is pissed and he is starting to become a leader, and he was running the ball damn well up the middle last time I checked.

How much better would the offense be with Bush this year and how worse would the D be without Mario?

Bush haters said:
Bush would suck without Duece, he can't run up the middle. So far, he's been good and has no problem taking it up the middle

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When Mario isn't being double teamed, he will be a monster! Well, now Amobi is drawing the double teams, and what has Mario done?
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Yep

1st overall pick getting pancaked by a bust of a WR that he outweighs by about 90 pounds is a joke.

People can ***** about YPC all they want (and always forget catches) but Bush carried his team Sunday Night. Reggie is pissed and he is starting to become a leader, and he was running the ball damn well up the middle last time I checked.

How much better would the offense be with Bush this year and how worse would the D be without Mario?

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Bush would suck without Duece, he can't run up the middle. So far, he's been good and has no problem taking it up the middle

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When Mario isn't being double teamed, he will be a monster! Well, now Amobi is drawing the double teams, and what has Mario done?
So one game makes Bush a leader, well at least your consistant. You have kept your mouth shut all year until this one game and nowing it is flowing like a busted ceptic tank. When did one game make a person a leader?
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LMAO..

Newsflash: Bush had an okay game, but it was NOT spectacular. His first ever in 20 games as a pro. Remember, he was supposed to be an impact player – at a ‘skill position’. I thought, he already had his ticket in hand to Canton.

So, the Saints got a player that has an okay performance every 20 games?!?! Nice. So glad we jumped all over that. The debate is over. The Texans did the right thing by NOT drafting Reggie Bush... What a joke.

Long story short, I would rather spend approximately $ 60 million on a piece of defensive puzzle (meaning the sum of the parts) over a bust who was not only supposed to be the face of the franchise, but the face of the NFL... and yet, in essence hasn't provided squat.
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my take:

you can't control what others do (Reggie, VY) only worry about your own production.

Mario Williams needs help, his primary ace in the hole so far has been Amobi Okoye but Jacksonville did a very smart thing they double teamed Okoye & let Mario go one on one with their fine young tackle Kahlif Barnes (underrated out of Washington 2nd rd.). this week its going to be another young stud LT Michael Roos (2nd rd. Eastern Washington).

Marios main problem is that he presents a big target, not to mention the hype of being the #1 overall pick so these young tackles really gear up their games to meet the challenge & use it as a gauge of their value to the team. its a huge win for a team to nullify a talent like Mario, sucks to be him. now we've talked about this in other threads but he needs help over the top, meaning a safety or LB coming on more blitz situations while he disengages his blocker. its a team game & he's a team player don't expect him to be successful if you leave him out on an island just because he was such a high pick, that does nothing but hurt him more.
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So one game makes Bush a leader, well at least your consistant. You have kept your mouth shut all year until this one game and nowing it is flowing like a busted ceptic tank. When did one game make a person a leader?
Bush has had about 6 great games as a Pro
Mario has had 1

Bush took them on his back Sunday night, so yeah that makes him a leader. So far Mario does a good job of riding Amboi's and DeMeco's coat tails but has yet to lead anything.
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Bush has had about 6 great games as a Pro
Mario has had 1

Bush took them on his back Sunday night, so yeah that makes him a leader. So far Mario does a good job of riding Amboi's and DeMeco's coat tails but has yet to lead anything.
A) That's extremely subjective. One could say that Mario has had one great game and a few pretty good games while Bush has had 1 decent game.

B) If that's 'carrying' a team on your back, then the Saints are actually in worse shape than I thought. Take a look at running backs that have 'carried their team on their back' and in most every case, they have rushed for more than 97 yards. 97 yards?!?! I can remember periods where that was Emmitt's per game average, not his all-time high.
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1-10-NO 35 (11:13) 25-R.Bush up the middle to SEA 43 for 22 yards (25-B.Russell).

2-10-SEA 35 (1:17) 25-R.Bush up the middle to SEA 16 for 19 yards (23-M.Trufant).

1-15-SEA 21 (:18) 25-R.Bush up the middle to SEA 20 for 1 yard (51-L.Tatupu).

1-10-SEA 15 (:45) 25-R.Bush up the middle to SEA 13 for 2 yards (59-J.Peterson). FUMBLES (59-J.Peterson), RECOVERED by SEA-98-B.Atkins at SEA 12. 98-B.Atkins to SEA 12 for no gain (78-J.Stinchcomb

1-10-SEA 41 (6:38) 25-R.Bush up the middle to SEA 39 for 2 yards (92-B.Mebane).
2-8-SEA 39 (5:56) 25-R.Bush up the middle to SEA 40 for -1 yards (92-B.Mebane).

Is that your definition of successful running between tackles, PieMan?
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San Antonio papers hate the Texans for not picking Vince. And they adore the Cowboys.

So basically, if you read anything positive about the Texans in a SA paper, it's a shock.
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San Antonio papers hate the Texans for not picking Vince. And they adore the Cowboys.

So basically, if you read anything positive about the Texans in a SA paper, it's a shock.
Same goes for Austin.
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So one game makes Bush a leader, well at least your consistant. You have kept your mouth shut all year until this one game and nowing it is flowing like a busted ceptic tank. When did one game make a person a leader?
Ha!

I knew once Reggie had ONE GOOD GAME as a RB he'd show up to trash Mario Williams. Apple was gone since the Chiefs game where Mario had a good day, and whether he likes it or not Mario has had a better year thus far than Reggie.

Funny how he says Mario has had one good game, when we know he ad 3 good games last season and IMO 3 good games this season as well. He just needs to be consistent.

And here I go, i'm going to let the secret out to all the Mario Haters.

Consistency is the biggest obstacle for young players. Period.

Vince Young as a problem with it, Reggie has a problem with it, only those break out fantastic rookies can come in the NFL and produce consistently.

Apple where was you when the whole nation was calling Reggie Bush a bust?

Its funny because VY can throw 3 INTs, for a whole season or two before they call him bust. Bush can averyage 2 ypc a whole season or two before they lable him a bust. But Mario can have one bad game... even after coming off a game where he did good...and everyone is on his back. Its because they don't understand you don't judge DEs by how many sacks they have.
Michael Strahan is doing good this season yet he has a sack and a half. Strahan is pressuring the QB, and looking young and fresh and i've seen about 3 Giants game. Thing is Mario has improved vastly but people look at his sack number and say "OMG he doesn't have 15 yet...WTF is he doing, OMG he doesn't even have a highlight reel...wow what a bust."

Yeah while the guy trashed Mario he forgot to trash DeMeco and Amobi, and Dunta, and every man on that defense for coming out the second half and stinking it up.
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Bush took them on his back Sunday night, so yeah that makes him a leader. So far Mario does a good job of riding Amboi's and DeMeco's coat tails but has yet to lead anything.
I wouldnt say thats true. Hes had games where the stats dont always show how good he played. As a D end, he wont always have the sexy numbers to show he was a force. Hes done that on more than one game.
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I wouldnt say thats true. Hes had games where the stats dont always show how good he played. As a D end, he wont always have the sexy numbers to show he was a force. Hes dont that on more than one game.
Man stop trying with Apple. He has a mancrush on Reggie Bush, and Mario got in the way of Bush playing for his favorite team. I was thinking as a Texan fan that Apple would just support Mario and take off his Bush shades sooner or later but it hasn't happened yet. The second Mario screws up Apple is the first one to tell everyone here how Mario was a bust.
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Figures Harvey would be a Vince homer, i never liked that guy.....
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