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Old 10-16-2007   #1
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Vince Young is day-to-day.
That means the Texans are, too.





That means the Texans will be checking the daily injury report on Young this week. His pain could alleviate theirs.

After all, if Young's quadriceps injury keeps him from playing Sunday in Houston — or keeps him from playing well — then the Texans can escape what embarrassed them last year in this same game.

But sore quads can't heal everything in Houston. The Texans' loss Sunday in Jacksonville presented another Mario Williams highlight show without highlights. Then, he played as if coached by Dennis Franchione, turning invisible as the Jaguars averaged almost 10 yards a carry in the second half.

And Mario was healthy.

Texans management would like to think it is past the 2006 draft, and the players certainly are. Even when under pressure in Jacksonville, Matt Schaub showed the signs of someone worth the contract and support.

Mario, last season's 6-foot-7 lightning rod of criticism, certainly hoped to be past this, too. In the opener against Kansas City, he picked up a fumble and scored a touchdown, and he finished with two sacks to help beat the Chiefs.



He ran off the field that day with the football, clearly feeling better about his life in Houston. A reporter afterward pointed out to Williams that, after one game, he had more touchdowns than Reggie Bush.

"I didn't think about that," Williams said, laughing. "There you go."

Mostly he was humble, and he should have been. The fumble he picked up, after all, was caused by a teammate. Mario's job was to simply run 38 yards for the touchdown.

So Mario chose to credit a new direction of the Houston defense, as well as emphasize that work still had to be done. "Today was just a start," he said then.

That day was an end, too. Mario has had one sack since, and the Texans have now lost three of four, the last one by 20 points. Just as he wanted to credit his teammates after the opener, they were with him Sunday, too. The Texans, having spent four first-round draft picks on defensive linemen in their short history, gave up 244 rushing yards.

"When you run the ball for nine-point-something yards a carry in this league, you're kicking somebody's tail," coach Gary Kubiak said afterward. "That was ours they were kicking."

Mario's tail was notably uninvolved, and that was his reputation in college. He didn't spread out his sacks over a season; he got them in a couple of games when the inspiration and matchups came together.

Jacksonville showed what happens when he meets a sturdy offensive line. Now some in Houston are wondering if it wouldn't be better to plant Mario in the middle of the line where he could at least take up space. That's not much production from a No. 1 pick.

As for Bush, who Mario outscored on opening day: On Sunday, he finished with a season-high 97 rushing yards and another 44 yards on six receptions.

As a New Orleans columnist wrote, Bush made it look "as easy as we imagined he always would make it look when he was drafted."

Still, that was the Saints' first win of the season. No one cares about that in Houston. And in any other week, against any other team, the Texans would adjust and try to correct what they did wrong in Jacksonville.

But this isn't any other week against any other team. Vince makes his annual return to his hometown, and that brings back memories of what the Texans did and didn't do.

The Titans lost last week, too, and Vince added to that. His interception stopped a Tennessee drive, and the Titans went scoreless in the first half.

But he also sat out most of the second half in a close game, benched by the quad injury. As everyone knows, the second half is when Young is at his best.

That was true last year in Houston, when Young sprinted in with the winning touchdown. And now comes Sunday, with all the same questions in play again.

Day-to-day?

As long as Mario is what he is, this is year-to-year.
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You can pretty much pencil vince in to play this week, i don't see why everyone is hopeful that he isn't going to play.
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Personally, not only do I hope he plays - but I want him to be 100%.
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What a Mario bash that report was.

Almost as if this writer is blaming the losses completely on Mario. Its sad because the guy has so much pressure on him he is never going to succeed in some people eyes.

The fact that he said Mario doesn't have a highlight reel is funny...how many defensive players do? Oh wait thats right...hardly any and if you do see one than its over their career and not a game. This guy obviously expects him to blow past guys every play and pressure the QB every play when no DE in the NFL can do that.

Yes he did turn invisible...so did about 10 other guys on the defense alongside with him.

Its funny he talks about Bush's one good game on the ground...as of right now his only good game on ground since his career. When will people get over it, we didn't draft Reggie we didn't draft Vince, Mario has been improving just like those other two guys but its like he's on a shorter leash.

As for VY, I hope he plays. Because I want to see his face when one of our guys slam him to the ground.
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I want VY to play...
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What a Mario bash that report was.

Almost as if this writer is blaming the losses completely on Mario. Its sad because the guy has so much pressure on him he is never going to succeed in some people eyes.

The fact that he said Mario doesn't have a highlight reel is funny...how many defensive players do? Oh wait thats right...hardly any and if you do see one than its over their career and not a game. This guy obviously expects him to blow past guys every play and pressure the QB every play when no DE in the NFL can do that.

Yes he did turn invisible...so did about 10 other guys on the defense alongside with him.

Its funny he talks about Bush's one good game on the ground...as of right now his only good game on ground since his career. When will people get over it, we didn't draft Reggie we didn't draft Vince, Mario has been improving just like those other two guys but its like he's on a shorter leash.

As for VY, I hope he plays. Because I want to see his face when one of our guys slam him to the ground.
Mario isn't very good when run right at. He is a much better player when the play is away from him and he is flowing to the ball cutting off the cut back. That's probably a backhanded compliment though.
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Wow, what a mario bash is right.

I find it funny how people disregard his FR for a TD. Saying he didn't do any work and was just in the right place at the right time. I def. would like to seem him forcing those fumbles, but the defense is taught to follow the ball carrier and swarm him. That way if/when he fumbles- we will have a better chance on falling on it and recovering it. Mario had a heads up play, he's always running towards the ball carrier and he jumped on it, covered it up, and got us possesion. Then realized noone touched him and ran it in.

Mario deserves credit...he did exactly what he was being taught and expected to do.

And In Bush's break out performance of the season...he still didn't have over 100 yards rushing as the primary RB and didn't have a TD, running or receiving!
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I hope Vince plays as well. Last thing I want to hear is "Well, the Texans won on Sunday, but that was because Vince Young did not play."

I want the Titans best effort. If the Texans best is not good enough to beat the Titans best, so be it.
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If vince plays, I'm predicting a career day for Faggins. He will have at least 3 picks. Our whole secondary will look pro bowl worthy! Come on VY rub some dirt on it and play, hell Mario did that all last year.
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Well hopefully he gets P.O.'d again and plays like he did earlier in the season. After all, an upset Mario is a Super Mario.
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Well hopefully he gets P.O.'d again and plays like he did earlier in the season. After all, an upset Mario is a Super Mario.
Sounds about right.

Mario's primary job is to be an outside pass rusher (as a 4-3 DE), when the play funnels back inside or is away from him, it's simply not HIS play to make. Gotta love that lack of analysis from a S.A. writer who's obviously not given up on his VY crush.
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Well hopefully he gets P.O.'d again and plays like he did earlier in the season. After all, an upset Mario is a Super Mario.
Tape this article to the front of his locker. That should take care of getting him P.0.'d.
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"As for Bush, who Mario outscored on opening day: On Sunday, he finished with a season-high 97 rushing yards and another 44 yards on six receptions.
As a New Orleans columnist wrote, Bush made it look "as easy as we imagined he always would make it look when he was drafted."
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That's laughable ! Maurice Drew-Jones (Bushs former cross-town rival in college and another back in last years Draft) had more yards than Bush even though he shared running duties with Fred Taylor while Bush was the starter for the Saints.
And if the NOLA columnists wants to see a player who makes it as easy as "we imagined", he needs to watch the guy with the Vikes from Palestine.
Bush is not even in the same category as AD.
Mario does lack consistancy and needs lots of work on his techniques, but I'm well past any doubts about him being a better pick than Bush.
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What a Mario bash that report was.

Almost as if this writer is blaming the losses completely on Mario. Its sad because the guy has so much pressure on him he is never going to succeed in some people eyes.

The fact that he said Mario doesn't have a highlight reel is funny...how many defensive players do? Oh wait thats right...hardly any and if you do see one than its over their career and not a game. This guy obviously expects him to blow past guys every play and pressure the QB every play when no DE in the NFL can do that.

Yes he did turn invisible...so did about 10 other guys on the defense alongside with him.

Its funny he talks about Bush's one good game on the ground...as of right now his only good game on ground since his career. When will people get over it, we didn't draft Reggie we didn't draft Vince, Mario has been improving just like those other two guys but its like he's on a shorter leash.

As for VY, I hope he plays. Because I want to see his face when one of our guys slam him to the ground.
I agree its a bash, but Mario got blocked repeatedly by a wide reciever in the 2nd half. No excuse for that to ever happen to a DE. And it wasnt a cut or anything fancy, it was a hook block. This was his worst game of the season and Im a little disappointed in how the whole D played. But, its just one of those games teams have.
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It's not like we chose Mario over Vince Young anyway.

We chose David Carr over Vince.


The Matt Schaub trade pretty much says we screwed the pooch on that one.
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Lets face it, both Williams and Bush have been severe disapointments thus far.

Williams is not a good pass rusher. He flashes brilliance here and there, but is highly inconsistent. He's also not that strong against the run. In the Dolphins game, I watched the Dolphins run over Williams side all game long. Remember the long Jones Drew run where Reggie Williams set a block on MW? He got completely manhandled by a tall, thin, WR

He still has physical gifts, but his nfl skill is not 1st round 1st pick worthy yet. You have to give rookies 2-3 years before labeling them anything, and while MWs production may prevent him from ever being labeled a "bust" he still has a LONG way to go before he's labeled the right selection
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he didn't say that, he just stated that Mario has been horrible for a # 1 pick..........................which I think we all can agree on.
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Mario is not a RDE and never will be.

That is the problem.
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It's not a Mario Bash, it's a Mario Truth. Big difference. He has had exactly one game in his 20 some odd game career where he started to at least approach his supposed potential.
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Julius Peppers just got his first sack of the season this past week, and yet it barely makes news.

What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger, and in my eyes, what Mario is enduring with this b.s., is going to make him a hell of a tough player.
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