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Old 10-17-2007   #81
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For them as is interested, here's the NFL.COM comparison of Tatum Bell (who we could have had for a song yesterday) and our own top-of-the-line RB, Ahman Green. It's pretty interesting.

This is the link to Tatum Bell on NFL.COM.

http://www.nfl.com/players/tatumbell...e?id=BEL598152

His lowest APC for the last 4 years is 4.1 yds. In 2006 he was the Broncos main RB with over a thousand and an avg of 4.4 or something. Was he hurt or something thereafter?

In any case, if he's "garbage," as Vinny said on the other board, then everybody we got except Green is what? Mulch?

Here are Green's stats if you want to compare.

http://www.nfl.com/players/ahmangree...e?id=GRE035797
He's a straight line runner with no wiggle...he has a hard time making people miss and there is a reason that the Broncos gave up on him and a reason he was shopped around after the Lions found out that Mike Martz has a tendency to find guys like Trung Candidate and think they are decent backs, only to find out later that they are just fast guys.
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Tatum Bell? lol

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i'll agree with that much.


rick smith is fine. don't you start a complain train and get him kicked out!! don't you do it!!
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Tatum Bell? lol

That was a joke, right?
His stats are better than Green's and they aren't some yokel's opinion, they're earned on the field.

My point is not we should have gotten him at all costs, but that he's as good or better than the best back we have, and we could have had him for a song.
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Default Re: It's the RUNNING BACK, STUPID.

You ever watch Tatum Bell play or are you just one of those stat whores that base their conclusions off of what the numbers say. He is one of the softest runners in the NFL. He's got no wiggle and falls to the ground the second he makes contact with a defender. He sucks, plain and simple.
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You ever watch Tatum Bell play or are you just one of those stat whores that base their conclusions off of what the numbers say. He is one of the softest runners in the NFL. He's got no wiggle and falls to the ground the second he makes contact with a defender. He sucks, plain and simple.
I watched him when he was lighting things up in Denver. If he falls to the ground when touched how come he gets more yards per carry than Green? You can't make a stupid argument like "he's got no wiggle" (duh) when the numbers say he's more productive than your first string guy.
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You ever watch Tatum Bell play or are you just one of those stat whores that base their conclusions off of what the numbers say. He is one of the softest runners in the NFL. He's got no wiggle and falls to the ground the second he makes contact with a defender. He sucks, plain and simple.
Stat whore....very nice. Not quite as good as an asshat though.
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I watched him when he was lighting things up in Denver. If he falls to the ground when touched how come he gets more yards per carry than Green? You can't make a stupid argument like "he's got no wiggle" (duh) when the numbers say he's more productive than your first string guy.
If you only want to base players by their numbers, then reggie bush really was jesus in cleats in college, and now he's a decent slot reciever in the NFL... Stats are easily skewed by a few plays. I wonder how many yards Bell got on 3rd and short situations? If its less then 2 then we already got a back who can get that for us. Besides, the trade deadline is over, so unless the Lions flat out release Bell, its a moot point.
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Yea, Tatum Bell was so great in Denver that they just couldn't wait to replace him and did so with undrafted free agent Mike Bell (who by the way is a fullback now). It is painfully obvious you haven't seen him play or else you wouldn't be here making yourself look like a fool trying to fluff this guy.
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Why mortgage the future to be a .500 team this year? We are building a team, and short-term solutions to long term needs are not how quality teams do it. It will takes years to undo the problems that Casserly & Capers left us with, and it will take time to build depth and have good players everywhere we need them.
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Default Re: It's the RUNNING BACK, STUPID.

There is a whole lot more to running the football that just the RB. If you have great enough run blocking you could turn Ron Dayne into a 100 yd per game rusher. A great running game is more based on the fact of having good run blocking a less on the actual talent of the RB - (especially in Denver's case hense the whole plug & play idea at RB). I think that's why Bell was any good in Denver was due to the OL. There are very few special instances where a RB's skills made him great no matter who was blocking, the major one that comes to mind is Barry Sanders. Those type of RB don't come around very often, and if they get injured - there goes your running game. That's why I think it is more important to have great run blocking and you can plug a decent caliber RB in and still have a good day.
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There is a whole lot more to running the football that just the RB. If you have great enough run blocking you could turn Ron Dayne into a 100 yd per game rusher.

i'm guessing some of you guys are the same guys who wanted, in yrs four and five, to "give David a chance to prove himself." Resisting any change, following along and making excuses for ineptitude from coach and GM. Fine with me. And yes, it's a moot point now anyway.

What is not moot is that the team had several chances to get a decent backup RB in here before the trade deadline an elected not to. Twas ever thus.
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Why mortgage the future to be a .500 team this year? We are building a team, and short-term solutions to long term needs are not how quality teams do it. It will takes years to undo the problems that Casserly & Capers left us with, and it will take time to build depth and have good players everywhere we need them.

finally! a post of sound reasoning!
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Why mortgage the future to be a .500 team this year? We are building a team, and short-term solutions to long term needs are not how quality teams do it. It will takes years to undo the problems that Casserly & Capers left us with, and it will take time to build depth and have good players everywhere we need them.
Hey man, don't you get it! I got my fantasy teams to look after, I ain't got time for this "long term, build a team" crap, and I don't care what quality teams do, and I don't care about the future. I want short term fixes NOW. I want to win NOW. Those draft picks mean absolutely nothing to me. If we have to give them all up during the middle of the season to get Tatum Bell in here, then do it, NOW! I want instant results. Just win baby! NOW!
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His stats are better than Green's and they aren't some yokel's opinion, they're earned on the field.

My point is not we should have gotten him at all costs, but that he's as good or better than the best back we have, and we could have had him for a song.
There is a stat that would pretty well answer what you need to know - Yards After Contact. I'm not sure if Stats, Inc. tracks it for the NFL; it might be kind of like TFL for college vs. professional. Anyway, if you can find that stat for Tatum Bell vs. Ahman Green, you might be able to ratchet up the conversation. This offense needs a runner who can break arm tackles and get to the second level, because they're not opening holes the size of trucks.
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i'm guessing some of you guys are the same guys who wanted, in yrs four and five, to "give David a chance to prove himself." Resisting any change, following along and making excuses for ineptitude from coach and GM. Fine with me. And yes, it's a moot point now anyway.

What is not moot is that the team had several chances to get a decent backup RB in here before the trade deadline an elected not to. Twas ever thus.
actually some of us watch football and don't just look at stat sheets. I'm sure you still think the great Bob Gagliano got a bum deal after he never got another job once the Lions stopped using the Run-N-Shoot.
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actually some of us watch football and don't just look at stat sheets. I'm sure you still think the great Bob Gagliano got a bum deal after he never got another job once the Lions stopped using the Run-N-Shoot.


Watch football? Please... Who needs to watch football when I can go to NFL.com to see that Tatum Bell has a higher YPC than Larry Johnson, thus making him a better running back.


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I like Tatum Bell. My sister used to date him. Or was that Tater Salad?
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Hey man, I ain't got time for this "long term, build a team" crap, and I don't care what quality teams do, and I don't care about the future. I want short term fixes NOW.
Pal, Bell was available for a 6th rounder. Hardly mortgaging the future. But if it makes you feel better, rage on.
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Pal, Bell was available for a 6th rounder. Hardly mortgaging the future. But if it makes you feel better, rage on.
Getting crap for a future 6th round pick is still getting crap for a draft pick. Even it is new crap to the team it is still crap, no matter how you want to espin it.
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