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Old 10-17-2007   #81
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If you follow Fisher's history with McNair....no way he discloses it since he will want the Texans to have to practice defending two styles of QB....effectively cutting down the reps to in practice for either QB.
Never understood the injury report to be honest? why it only helps the opposition. Too many people complain about the Texans injury report, but why help the other side?
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Its only going to get worse I tells ya.

They are going to rush him back, then he's going to tear it and be out of for the season.

We have to make sure our guys stay off the cover of that game if we start winning.
The wheels of the Madden Curse are starting to turn.....
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Never understood the injury report to be honest? why it only helps the opposition. Too many people complain about the Texans injury report, but why help the other side?
The NFL mandates that you disclose injuries...part of the reason is so the gambling people don't get deep inside scoops and further infest the sport. Fisher has always walked the line of credibility with his QB injury reports historically.

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"The principal purpose of the injury report is to ensure there are no hidden injuries, or clubs hiding that players might not be available, and then that player ends up not being able to play and nobody knew about it," said Greg Aiello, the NFL's vice president of public relations.

Injury reports date from the 1940s, when the NFL commissioner, Bert Bell, was dealing with the aftermath of the 1946 championship game between the New York Giants and Chicago Bears. As chronicled in Michael MacCambridge's book "America's Game," there were concerns at the time that two New York players, Merle Hapes and Frank Filchock, had been approached by gamblers and that the game could be part of a fix. Bell ended up suspending both players and reached the conclusion that professional football could not survive unless it was base on absolute honesty. Starting in the 1947 season, Bell required all teams to publish a list of all injured players.
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If you follow Fisher's history with McNair....no way he discloses it since he will want the Texans to have to practice defending two styles of QB....effectively cutting down the reps to in practice for either QB.
Agreed.

Even if he practices some this week, he may not play. If you don't use full effort with sprinting, a sprained quad may not give you issues.
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NFL Network reports that VY won't practice this week but it doesn't mean that he isn't going to play. That he is going to get treatment twice a day all week.
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I recall in the movie "North Dallas Forty", the RB chose to take a needle to his hammy in order to play. Hammy stiffened up during a screen to the left side and a defensive player leveled him.

Not that I would root for an injury to Uncle Rico, I'm just saying it's a big risk if he's still gimpy on Sunday.
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Fisher has always walked the line of credibility with his QB injury reports historically.
How much of that do you think were really injuries v. Fisher accommodating McNair not wanting to practice? Seemed like McNair always had niggling injuries like sore ribs, etc.

I just saw the VY injury play yesterday--that looked like pulling something fairly significantly. I suspect he'll play, but like TC's post said, it may not be the best idea long term for the Titans this season. That looked like an injury which could be made worse.
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I think it's risking a lot to play VY this week. Of all games to ask him to not give it his all, I'd think this is the one that he tries to go above and beyond for his hometown crowd and to continue his grudge against the Texans for not picking him.

With what TC is reporting, I don't see him stopping himself from doing what he does, and that could lead to longer term repercussions.
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Oh no! Ingle Martin!

"The Titans on Tuesday released punter Josh Miller, a move that gives the team roster flexibility as it waits to see how quarterback Vince Young recovers from his injury. The Titans now have an open spot on their 53-man roster and could fill it later in the week by elevating from the practice squad quarterback Ingle Martin, who played at Montgomery Bell Academy. It all depends on how Young's condition is in the coming days. Titans Coach Jeff Fisher said on his weekly radio show Tuesday night Young is improving, though he is not expected to practice today as the team begins preparation for Sunday's game at Houston. Because there is potential future risk involved with what Fisher called a "significant strain," the Titans will be careful with the injury."

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I like Ingle Martin quite a bit...he is a heck of a young prospect. I know that RP over at HPF was drooling over him as a sleeper when he was coming out.
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I like Ingle Martin quite a bit...he is a heck of a young prospect. I know that RP over at HPF was drooling over him as a sleeper when he was coming out.
Hey, it was all I could come up with to lead that link off with!

You probably won't find that name, though, in the 10 manliest names thread on this board.

Think you can read anything into that move (if it happens) with regards to VY and that strain?
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The NFL mandates that you disclose injuries...part of the reason is so the gambling people don't get deep inside scoops and further infest the sport. Fisher has always walked the line of credibility with his QB injury reports historically.
OK that I understand but question if it is to prevent the gamblers or help. If they dont know then they screw up on a line it could cost them huge dollars. There has been a long history of teams fudging the report. For examle a guy cut his toenail to close and all of a sudden it list him as having a sore foot and probable or questionable on the injury report.
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Hey, it was all I could come up with to lead that link off with!

You probably won't find that name, though, in the 10 manliest names thread on this board.

Think you can read anything into that move (if it happens) with regards to VY and that strain?
If VY doesn't play then Collins will need a back up if he gets hurt...that's about all I can see. Both Collins and VY are 55% passers lifetime so their passing game will be about the same with either QB. VY improves their running game if he is healthy unlike Collins would however. When Young is in the game the RB has one less defender keying on him since Young does a lot of option reads where he reads the end and takes off with the ball depending on if the end is crashing or taking a wide angle. It's very veer-like, but teams have to spy Young...that gives their running backs a bit of an edge. It's no coincidence that the team started running the ball better when Young started playing last year. He just changes how you scheme your defense.
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I like Ingle Martin quite a bit...he is a heck of a young prospect. I know that RP over at HPF was drooling over him as a sleeper when he was coming out.

A play:

Texan fan: The (other team's) quarterback _________ is (old)(inexperienced)(coming off a terrible performance) and/or (just awful). Everyone rejoice!

Game recap: And the (other team's) quarterback just got a career high (amazingly high) completion percentage, (astounding) QB rating, and (big number) TDs. They were able to convert (stomach turning)% of third downs. The Texans were unable to put consistent pressure on the quarterback with their vanilla schemes, __________ got comfortable in the pocket and dinked and dunked on the Texans secondary all day.

Texan fan: I thought Groundhog's Day was in February? When will I ever learn that there is no quarterback too awful to move the ball against the Texans defense? I will blame it all on Mario because that is what John McClain does.

The End.

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FWIW, VY did not practice today.

The biggest help to this young Texans defense is not what quarterback is playing, but winning the field position battle and having the offense keep them off the field by playing well and not turning the ball over. As they are currently configured and coached, they are not a dominant defense.
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Game recap: And the (other team's) quarterback just got a career high (amazingly high) completion percentage, (astounding) QB rating, and (big number) TDs. They were able to convert (stomach turning)% of third downs. The Texans were unable to put consistent pressure on the quarterback with their vanilla schemes, __________ got comfortable in the pocket and dinked and dunked on the Texans secondary all day.
You're not saying we've been down this road before, are you?
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FWIW, VY did not practice today.
Not to worry. John McClain will kiss Vince's boo-boo and make it all better.

Ingle Martin beating the Texans? That could never happen.

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Unless Rich Lord beats 'em to the punch!!
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"That's enough about the injury, please, I'm begging you,'' Young said. "It's enough. I can't do nothing about it. What do you want me to say? I am saying the same thing over and over, the same question. Y'all are just re-wording it.

"I can't just tell you I'm playing and then don't play,'' Young added. "That is like me lying not only to my teammates, but to the rest of the people in the world that want to see me play.'
That doesn't sound like a guy who thinks he is going to play.
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I have seen and heard several interviews with VY in the last day or so and he does not seem like the same guy. He made a point fo stressing how this is just one game on the schedule and is no more important than any other game. He even came right out and said he was annoyed at having to answer the question about it being Houston and his home town. That does not sound like the same guys who stays laid back about everything, even stating last year how special it is to play at home if front of family and friends. I am not shrink but I did stay at a holiday in express last night so here goes, my guess is either he does not feel he is going to play and is down playing the importance of this game, or being 2-0 against us last year he wants to down play his game in case they lose.
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