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Old 10-15-2007   #41
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I'm sure it's a mere coincidence that all his teams win on every level...and don't tend to win like they won when he left. Football is one sport that you can't just scan a stat line and figure out of a guy makes a difference....you actually have to watch them play to figure stuff like that out.
What VY is able to do on 3rd downs, or as far as keeping teams honest and taking them out of what they like to do on defense is not something that easily shows up in stat lines. He can do some stunning things "off schedule" as Kubiak refers to it.

The flip side of this is that his talent is so specific and different that it is hard to install a plug and play sort of offense for his team. If he gets hurt, the QB behind him has a hard time running the offense. I do not think that VY = Vick by any means, but if he gets any injuries that keep him out for periods of time, it can screw a team's year like the year where Reeves got canned. Worse problems to have, but is what happens when you change an offensive scheme to highlight special talents of a player. The Titans defense, has played very well, but will be tested if VY has to miss significant time. (I like the way that their defense is coached).

The game will set up well for the Titans.

They win without VY, it shows they are good team.
They win with VY, it shows he is a gamer.
They lose without VY, well the loss has an asterisk.
They lose with VY, well, he was injured so it doesn't really count.

Bleh.
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Old 10-15-2007   #42
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Heck, there's 1/2 the guys on the gotitans.com board that are questioning the effectiveness of vy more than some here on texanstalk.com! And I'm pretty sure they watch as much if not more than people do on here.
don't doubt VY....when will you people learn.......


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What VY is able to do on 3rd downs, or as far as keeping teams honest and taking them out of what they like to do on defense is not something that easily shows up in stat lines. He can do some stunning things "off schedule" as Kubiak refers to it.

The flip side of this is that his talent is so specific and different that it is hard to install a plug and play sort of offense for his team. If he gets hurt, the QB behind him has a hard time running the offense. I do not think that VY = Vick by any means, but if he gets any injuries that keep him out for periods of time, it can screw a team's year like the year where Reeves got canned. Worse problems to have, but is what happens when you change an offensive scheme to highlight special talents of a player. The Titans defense, has played very well, but will be tested if VY has to miss significant time. (I like the way that their defense is coached).

The game will set up well for the Titans.

They win without VY, it shows they are good team.
They win with VY, it shows he is a gamer.
They lose without VY, well the loss has an asterisk.
They lose with VY, well, he was injured so it doesn't really count.

Not to sound sexist, but that's amazing for a woman to break down football like that...okay it sounded sexist, but you get the point..............rep headed your way.
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Old 10-15-2007   #43
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The game will set up well for the Titans.

They win without VY, it shows they are good team.
They win with VY, it shows he is a gamer.
They lose without VY, well the loss has an asterisk.
They lose with VY, well, he was injured so it doesn't really count.

Bleh.
Sad. But oh so true.
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The game will set up well for the Titans.

They win without VY, it shows they are good team.
They win with VY, it shows he is a gamer.
They lose without VY, well the loss has an asterisk.
They lose with VY, well, he was injured so it doesn't really count.

Bleh.
My thoughts exactly. The Rico homers are sitting pretty.

I just want us to win this game.
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What VY is able to do on 3rd downs, or as far as keeping teams honest and taking them out of what they like to do on defense is not something that easily shows up in stat lines...

... If he gets hurt, the QB behind him has a hard time running the offense.
By the way Kerry Collins was able to move their Offense down the field, it looked like they were better with Collins at the helm instead of Young. Oh, and the Touchdown they scored with Collins playing QB definitely showed up on the statline.
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By the way Kerry Collins was able to move their Offense down the field, it looked like they were better with Collins at the helm instead of Young. Oh, and the Touchdown they scored with Collins playing QB definitely showed up on the statline.
so did the loss. The Titans had a 5 game road winning streak end yesterday.
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so did the loss. The Titans had a 5 game road winning streak end yesterday.
True enough, but Vince Young played for the most of 3 Quarters of that game, so the loss could hardly be blamed on Kerry Collins.
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I hope he plays. So we can kick his ass. >.<
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so did the loss. The Titans had a 5 game road winning streak end yesterday.
Vince Young gets just as much if not more so credit for being the qb of the losing team on Sunday. Its not like he was taken out on the first play of the game or anything.
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Vince Young gets just as much if not more so credit for being the qb of the losing team on Sunday. Its not like he was taken out on the first play of the game or anything.
blame him all you want...I didn't say Collins lost the game...he sure didn't win it with a key play in a critical situation....not saying that he is a Vince Young or anything like that.
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blame him all you want...I didn't say Collins lost the game...he sure didn't win it with a key play in a critical situation....not saying that he is a Vince Young or anything like that.
He couldn't be a Vince Young because he didn't turn the ball over.
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He couldn't be a Vince Young because he didn't turn the ball over.
true, as everyone knows that's more important than winning.
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What VY is able to do on 3rd downs, or as far as keeping teams honest and taking them out of what they like to do on defense is not something that easily shows up in stat lines. He can do some stunning things "off schedule" as Kubiak refers to it.

The flip side of this is that his talent is so specific and different that it is hard to install a plug and play sort of offense for his team. If he gets hurt, the QB behind him has a hard time running the offense. I do not think that VY = Vick by any means, but if he gets any injuries that keep him out for periods of time, it can screw a team's year like the year where Reeves got canned. Worse problems to have, but is what happens when you change an offensive scheme to highlight special talents of a player. The Titans defense, has played very well, but will be tested if VY has to miss significant time. (I like the way that their defense is coached).

The game will set up well for the Titans.

They win without VY, it shows they are good team.
They win with VY, it shows he is a gamer.
They lose without VY, well the loss has an asterisk.
They lose with VY, well, he was injured so it doesn't really count.

Bleh.
Let's just hope VY plays and we win - then all will be right in the world. I don't think any of us can imagine how demoralizing a VY-led Titans victory could be for this franchise. Well, maybe we can...
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Hopefully VY status will be on the ground with either Mario or Amobi giving him the horns down.
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I hope VY gets the start. Let him play. We need to show the tacs that this is our house and they will not come in here and dominate. Send them back to Nashville with battle red scars.
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If he is out, let him be out. Easier for us.
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If an injured VY is still better than Kerry Collins I would rather VY be out. We need a win in a bad way this week and with our gamebreaker still possibly out i'll take any advantage we can get.
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If only Vince could have been on the field defensively to single-handedly stop that 55 yard drive for Tampa's game winning field goal, in under a minute -07
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true, as everyone knows that's more important than winning.
Just as everyone knows that the Titans were winless in their organization's entire history until Vince Young started playing for them.
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Can anyone Say Madden Curse. Ha finally got him! When he was told by a reporter about the madden curse he said "I am not scared. Bring it on". Here you go vince!
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