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View Poll Results: Should the NFL address icing a kicker?
Yes, the NFL needs to address this tactic: it should not be allowed in its current form. 14 32.56%
No, the NFL does not need to address this tactic: it should remain legal in its current form. 29 67.44%
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Old 10-09-2007   #1
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Default Icing the Kicker?

There was some discussion in the Bills/Cowgirls thread especially about icing the kicker. We've already seen this in the NFL 3 times this year--2 of them successfully and it's one of ESPiN's (credit to whoever first coined that) biggest talking points right now.

Do you think this practice is fair game, and if not, how would you change it?
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Default Re: Icing the Kicker?

it's part of the game. icing shouldn't effect a really good kicker.
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Default Re: Icing the Kicker?

I think it's fair. As some noted in the other thread, it's not new to sport, can be a vital part of sport and coaches should be able to retain judicious use of their timeouts. There is nothing like the feeling of going to the line with a basketball game hanging in the balance and then an opposing coach calling a timeout to let you think about it. It only heightens the dramatic qualities we love about competition and sport.

Besides, the problem inherent in trying to restrict this practice is that it will quickly become fuzzy to police. How much time will be allowable before the snap/lineup to call a timeout? What if a coach notices that he has 12 men on the field? What if the coach deliberately puts 12 men on the field to allow him the "ice" timeout? What if he believes the opposing team is faking it or wants to call a timeout to address any other potential play/personnel concerns?

Essentially ... how in the world will NFL referees be able to restrict this practice without significantly impacting a team's ability to play basic, honest football in a game's most crucial moment?
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For some kickers it doesn't bother them at all, they actually like the extra time to go through their routine.
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Default Re: Icing the Kicker?

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(on coaches that ice the kickers at the last second) “You just go out there and go through your routine. If they call a timeout, they call a timeout. You just line up and do it again. That’s the way that things go. You have to go out there and go through your routine, and not even let that come into your mind.”
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Default Re: Icing the Kicker?

like i read somewhere: someday soon a coach will call a timeout just before a GWFG snap- the kicker will miss but score the re-kick after the timeout and that should put a stop to it
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It's gamemanship at it's finest........ Give that kicker a little more time to tense up & ray finkle it to the right/left.
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Default Re: Icing the Kicker?

meh, i don't like the idea of the whistle being blown after the kicker is in motion. icing is fine, but once the kicker starts his windup, too bad, can't blow the whistle.
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Part of the game, no change needed.
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Default Re: Icing the Kicker?

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meh, i don't like the idea of the whistle being blown after the kicker is in motion. icing is fine, but once the kicker starts his windup, too bad, can't blow the whistle.
I don't think they technically "blow the whistle" or call the timeout after the ball has been snapped. In a deafening stadium in which the referees are not sitting on the ball when it is about to be put into play, it may take a couple of seconds for them to get to the ball and "effect" the timeout, but unless I'm missing something, it is always officially called by the coaches before the play actually commences.
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Default Re: Icing the Kicker?

If I'm not mistaken, this is the first year that a coach can call a time-out from the sideline...
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People are shafting kickers.

People would be UP IN ARMS and RIOTING if you could ice a QB.

Imagine you call TO, QB makes an amazing 50+ yard TD pass and it didn't count.

Come on, making the kicker kick twice is LAME and needs to be abolished.
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For some kickers it doesn't bother them at all, they actually like the extra time to go through their routine.
We're not talking icing the kicker, we're talking the kicker having to kick twice, I think there's a difference?


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if Kickers don't mind it, then I don't. I guess I ASSume they wouldn't want to kick twice.
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like i read somewhere: someday soon a coach will call a timeout just before a GWFG snap- the kicker will miss but score the re-kick after the timeout and that should put a stop to it
That's exactly what is going to happen one of these days....stuff tends to even out over the long haul.

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meh, i don't like the idea of the whistle being blown after the kicker is in motion. icing is fine, but once the kicker starts his windup, too bad, can't blow the whistle.
the refs won't accept a time out once the ball is snapped....it takes a few seconds for the ref to get the time out in...hence the small delay and the kick going off.

Besides...you can call a time out at any time if you have one. I don't know why anyone would want to change this. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.
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That's exactly what is going to happen one of these days....stuff tends to even out over the long haul.

the refs won't accept a time out once the ball is snapped....it takes a few seconds for the ref to get the time out in...hence the small delay and the kick going off.

Besides...you can call a time out at any time if you have one. I don't know why anyone would want to change this. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.
This is what gets me, no one complains when a timeout is called because the offense is in hurry up and the defense is about to get a penalty so why the big deal if a timeout is called at anytime before the ball is snapped even if the kicker is out there.

Wussifying football one timeout at a time.
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It's gamemanship at it's finest........ Give that kicker a little more time to tense up & ray finkle it to the right/left.
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like i read somewhere: someday soon a coach will call a timeout just before a GWFG snap- the kicker will miss but score the re-kick after the timeout and that should put a stop to it
I cant wait for this to happen.
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People are shafting kickers.

People would be UP IN ARMS and RIOTING if you could ice a QB.

Imagine you call TO, QB makes an amazing 50+ yard TD pass and it didn't count.

Come on, making the kicker kick twice is LAME and needs to be abolished.
Agreed. They may as well just go ahead and put an end to it now. According to the Pro-Icing crowd, eventually the kicker will hit the second one after missing the first one, and the coach will never do it again. So why not just banish it now?

I am all for letting the defense take a timeout before the kick goes up.... but I don't agree with the timeout being called in such a way that it negates a live play. I call it a loophole in the system, and a glitch that needs to be worked out.
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Agreed. They may as well just go ahead and put an end to it now. According to the Pro-Icing crowd, eventually the kicker will hit the second one after missing the first one, and the coach will never do it again. So why not just banish it now?

I am all for letting the defense take a timeout before the kick goes up.... but I don't agree with the timeout being called in such a way that it negates a live play. I call it a loophole in the system, and a glitch that needs to be worked out.
Okay, so you want a change--how do you institute that without creating a greater injustice/imbalance in the rules?

Does the referee stay within arm's length of the ball?

Do we require coaches to actually call the timeout well before the center even puts his hand on the ball (again, negating their ability to implement many perfectly good other football strategies)

You don't like the rule, fine--so how do you change it without making things worse?
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Okay, so you want a change--how do you institute that without creating a greater injustice/imbalance in the rules?

Does the referee stay within arm's length of the ball?

Do we require coaches to actually call the timeout well before the center even puts his hand on the ball (again, negating their ability to implement many perfectly good other football strategies)

You don't like the rule, fine--so how do you change it without making things worse?
I am not going to sit here and work out the kinks, since I actually do have better things to do. The NFL people who get paid to look at this sort of thing know tons more than I do about rule changing.

As a fan, I can just sit here in my chair and complain. We all do it.
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