Texan fans are idiots too!

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by thegr8fan

actually I didn't agree with the 4th-1 call either. Unlike yourself though, even in 2005, I have never 'boo-ed' inside the stadium at the Texans. Guess I am an ***** for never booing, huh.

If we had showed to have even an mediocre running game at any time during the game, I would have completely agreed with THAT call. Showing that we couldn't get 2 yds in 3 tries from the 2 yd line for a TD, early in the game, was a direct reflection of our LACK of a running game. Hence that call, with intent of getting some distance out of the endzone, was a wasted call to me. And obviously gaining ONE WHOLE YD during the play, showed it was a wasted call. The very next play, from our 4 yd line, only netted 19 yds.

We ran very poorly yesterday and passed very well. Call the plays that are working for you. Not the ones that football logic says is a high percentage call. IMIO (in my idiotic opinion)

note to self: on this board you can in fact use the word ID-IO-T in the heading of the message. You can not however use it in the text of the message. hmmm

We also weren't passing blocking well. Schaub was only completing about 60% of his passes. Also, the clock stops on an incomplete pass. We were on our own three. The game was tied. There was less than 2 minutes to go. Miami had three timeouts. Our punter averages a net of about 43 yards.

Taking all that into account, we ran the ball not because Kubiak thought that was the most efficient way to get into field goal range, but because given all the factors, it was the best way to win the game. He wanted to see if Miami was going to use their timeouts and didn't want to leave too much time on the clock and allow a very short Miami drive for a winning field goal. Even if we just run out the clock, we have a better than average chance to win the game in overtime. The odds of winning the game from our own 3 yard line, weren't good and it's reasonable that the head coach wouldn't want to put the opposing team in a favorable position. Have you ever heard of the football expression "field position"?

[Chance_C]

I don't totally disagree with your take, but remember that the Fins still had Timeouts. If we throw on 1st down, and it's incomplete, the Dolphins may have called a TO, and tried to get the ball back. OTOH, when they ran and Miami did not call for the TO, then I would have liked a little more urgency to get the play off unless they truly did intend to run the clock down and go for the OT period. All in all, I was glad Kubes decided to grow a pair and go for it, but you are right in that clock management still seems to be a bugaboo.

Agreed. I thought the run was an obvious call even in light of the nonexistent
running game. Taylor was giving Schaub problems, and a safety would not have been good. Although the one yard plunge didn't really help. My biggest problem was that they drained probably 20 seconds off of the clock, then came the 19 yard completion, followed by a sense of urgency. One play to late IMO.

[Brando]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

We also weren't passing blocking well. Schaub was only completing about 60% of his passes. Also, the clock stops on an incomplete pass. We were on our own three. The game was tied. There was less than 2 minutes to go. Miami had three timeouts. Our punter averages a net of about 43 yards.

Taking all that into account, we ran the ball not because Kubiak thought that was the most efficient way to get into field goal range, but because given all the factors, it was the best way to win the game. He wanted to see if Miami was going to use their timeouts and didn't want to leave too much time on the clock and allow a very short Miami drive for a winning field goal.

QFT! Good Post

[Twitch-Houston]

One play to late IMO.
__________________

The run was to test when Miami was going to call a timeout. Kubiak didn't want to give Miami the ball in good field position with a lot of time on the clock. The big pass to OD made a difference in the fact that they could try and get in field goal range.

[Double Barrel]

I sense that some of the 'booing' was out of frustration. It's tough to root for a losing team year after year. Winning teams take chances, which is exactly what we did to win the game yesterday.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

I sense that some of the 'booing' was out of frustration. It's tough to root for a losing team year after year. Winning teams take chances, which is exactly what we did to win the game yesterday.

I only heard scattered booing here and there....wasn't that noticeable to me at all.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Vinny

I only heard scattered booing here and there....wasn't that noticeable to me at all.

yeah, I didn't hear that much either.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

yeah, I didn't hear that much either.

You guys are surrounded with Bullpen members. Trust me, the huckabees in the 600's were doing a lot of booing.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

You guys are surrounded with Bullpen members. Trust me, the huckabees in the 600's were doing a lot of booing.

nah, I'm up in 500's, south (dark side) end zone. I hear boos, just not a stadium full. I think some folks were having Capers' "play not to lose" flashbacks. JMO.

[Yankee_In_TX]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

WTF Texan fans?!!? Section 120, there was a Texan on Texan brawl....

Was that the NE corner? I noticed everyone in the two/three sections by the corner was focused towards the aisle at one point.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by Vinny

I only heard scattered booing here and there....wasn't that noticeable to me at all.

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

You guys are surrounded with Bullpen members. Trust me, the huckabees in the 600's were doing a lot of booing.

nope, I was on the 50 yard line

[Second Honeymoon]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

I told someone to please be quiet on one of our fourth downs, got glared at, then I pointed to the video screen that had "QUIET - OFFENSE AT WORK" on it.

I am amazed at how much football knowledge and understanding was lost during the NFL's absence from Houston. I always took it for granted as an Oilers fan.

/agreed

we used to be some of the more intelligent football fans back in the day. we saw everything humanly possible happen to the Oilers so we knew what to look out for and had seen just about every scenario play itself out (mostly to the Oilers detriment)

i am so happy our season is going better and the franchise seems to be going in the right direction. now that we are a real team and we can compete, it feels kinda like the old school Oilers-era in that now the losses hurt SOOO much more. Not 'Oilers-era hurt' just yet, but its getting there. I just believe in the team now so the losses are harder to accept. Losing to Peyton is just part and parcel of being in his division, but losing to the Falcons was embarassing. Luckily we did just enough to beat the Fins so we can now get down to our Divisional business. Next stop Jacksonville!!!

[YellerLotYeller]

What about the dumbasses that come to the sections with free giveaways to toss out while we are on offense. I told the guy to wait until we score or we're on defense, and he looked at me like...huh? People start screaming like he's throwing out thousand dollar bills.


Also, they need to keep the "Quiet Sign" going all game, not just in the first quarter.

[Second Honeymoon]

Originally Posted by Vinny

I only heard scattered booing here and there....wasn't that noticeable to me at all.

as an earlier poster noted (Marcus?) it was the playcalling police. its standard in any NFL arena nowadays. Geez, now it happens in college football constantly in every conference. (see Greg Davis). it happens everywhere.

I side with the fans because it looked like Kubiak was going to play for overtime initially with that 1st play and playing for OT would have been a mistake. luckily, he was possibly lulling the Dolphins into sleep, draining the timeouts, and trying to get his QB some room to throw with the threat of the run. A safety would have been GAME OVER at that point.

it's now obvious that he actually did a GREAT job with clock management which is a big step considering his huge clock management gaffes the previous two games.

OT - fwiw - Cameron looked completely lost out there Sunday at times. I think its overwhelming him and he looks like a deer in headlights. Huizenga isnt exactly patient and this could be 'one and done' if they don't turn things around fast. Cameron has done a good job putting Brown into position to make plays ala LT but there is more to being a Head Coach than being an OC. If Green is out for any significant amount of time, then that could help Cameron keep his job another year but it would be on a short leash. Wayne would love to hire a Cowher as he loves to make a big splash.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by Second Honeymoon

I side with the fans because it looked like Kubiak was going to play for overtime initially with that 1st play and playing for OT would have been a mistake. luckily, he was possibly lulling the Dolphins into sleep, draining the timeouts, and trying to get his QB some room to throw with the threat of the run. A safety would have been GAME OVER at that point.

it's now obvious that he actually did a GREAT job with clock management which is a big step considering his huge clock management gaffes the previous two games.

OT - fwiw - Cameron looked completely lost out there Sunday at times. I think its overwhelming him and he looks like a deer in headlights. Huizenga isnt exactly patient and this could be 'one and done' if they don't turn things around fast. Cameron has done a good job putting Brown into position to make plays ala LT but there is more to being a Head Coach than being an OC. If Green is out for any significant amount of time, then that could help Cameron keep his job another year but it would be on a short leash. Wayne would love to hire a Cowher as he loves to make a big splash.

I sat with Herv and he can tell you that I called the run and we discussed why you should not pass on that first play...but some fans were booing anyway. I also discussed Cameron's idiotic play calling. Brown was going off for about 7 ypc in the first half and they come out throwing the ball after halftime. I told him if I was a Dolphin fan I'd be an unhappy fan.

[Second Honeymoon]

Originally Posted by Vinny

I sat with Herv and he can tell you that I called the run and we discussed why you should not pass on that first play...but some fans were booing anyway. I also discussed Cameron's idiotic play calling. Brown was going off for about 7 ypc in the first half and they come out throwing the ball after halftime. I told him if I was a Dolphin fan I'd be an unhappy fan.

oh we had timeouts so i had no problem with them running it to get room but I think the fans were booing what they perceived was 'playing for overtime' rather than the running play itself. they had seen Kubes go conservative in similar situations and didn't want to allow the game to basically come down to a coin flip.

oh yeah, Brown looked great and was cutting back into the gaps from Weaver and Mario ala LT early in the game...totally exposing Mario and Okoye on a few plays...breaking tackles...doing it all....but then once Green was gone and Cleo was in, he just seemed completely lost and broken. Cameron is just overwhelmed and its only gonna get tougher with an 0-5 team that is probably 2 losses away from season long cruise control by the whole team.

I feel sorry for the guy because the Miami media is extremely hard on their football coaches when they lose...and their losing; in spades

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Yankee_In_TX

Was that the NE corner? I noticed everyone in the two/three sections by the corner was focused towards the aisle at one point.

YUP.. That was it. It was a couple rows in front of me but the opposite side of the section.

Originally Posted by imatexan

Stop complaining about the Fans!!! Every other NFL team has the same problems. I have heard this soo many times, we are not idiots its just how it goes. It really is not that bad, get over it!

Leave Texans fan alone!!!!!!

[Battle Red Flash]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I was at the game yesterday and was very disappointed with the fans- as usual. First of all, they are yelling and cheering everytime the team goes for it on 4th down.

Mostly, though, I can't stand the booing. I booed and heckled in 2005 because it was a ridiculous and embarrassing display.
On 1st down, we ran the ball from our own 3. Any fans that don't understand why the team would run there, I can't understand why they'd sit in the stands, spend their money, and watch this game-which is clearly foreign to them.

You are right about anyone yelling when the Texans are on offense, and have broken the huddle. Texans fans should be quiet.

Now, on the other point, I did not boo, but came close, because I feared Kubes was about to run the ball 3 times and go to overtime. I felt the people that booed were tired of Kubes conservative play callng and bad clock management over the last 3 or so games. They feared he had chosen not to even try for a FG drive.
I've seen other teams throw in that situation, and it worked. I've seen teams throw a bomb from there and it's worked. So running there was not the only choice. You agree with Kubes, and that's fine, but it does not make others wrong.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by Battle Red Flash

You are right about anyone yelling when the Texans are on offense, and have broken the huddle. Texans fans should be quiet.

Now, on the other point, I did not boo, but came close, because I feared Kubes was about to run the ball 3 times and go to overtime. I felt the people that booed were tired of Kubes conservative play callng and bad clock management over the last 3 or so games. They feared he had chosen not to even try for a FG drive.
I've seen other teams throw in that situation, and it worked. I've seen teams throw a bomb from there and it's worked. So running there was not the only choice. You agree with Kubes, and that's fine, but it does not make others wrong.

take a sack there and the games over...he did the right thing.