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Old 10-08-2007   #61
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Look, the penalty that was called is called "taunting". I have nowhere seen or read that what Travis Johnson actually did was to "taunt" Trent Green. There is a distinct difference between taunting someone and screaming "Hey WTF do you think you're doing hitting me low like that?"

For the record I don't know what he said but I'm pretty confident that all of the people (including yourself) who are coming unglued over the diabolical horror that is Travis Johnson don't know what he said either.

Watch it in real time and note that he gets up (after landing on his head), finds the guy who hit him in the knee, and walks toward him shouting. About the time he gets to where Green is on the ground Johnson clearly realizes that Green is hurt and shuts his trap and heads for the sideline. Sadly this is too late to prevent the flag but he's not a nazi war criminal and the people pointing out that what he actually did wasn't nearly as horrifying as it's being made out to be are right. Johnson did nothing on the field to be ashamed of.

His tirade post-game I think he should be embarrassed about but I don't think Johnson is the sharpest tool in the shed. Instead of apologizing for losing his cool and saying that he hopes Green makes a full recovery he tried to justify what he did on the field. That was a mistake and makes this situation worse not better.
yep, thats pretty much how I see it too.
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Watch it in real time and note that he gets up (after landing on his head), finds the guy who hit him in the knee, and walks toward him shouting. About the time he gets to where Green is on the ground Johnson clearly realizes that Green is hurt and shuts his trap and heads for the sideline. Sadly this is too late to prevent the flag but he's not a nazi war criminal and the people pointing out that what he actually did wasn't nearly as horrifying as it's being made out to be are right. Johnson did nothing on the field to be ashamed of.
Maybe I'm the only one but it looks bad in real time and slow motion to me. He points down at him 3 times and all the while you can see Miami players already motioning for the trainers to get over there. He walks away once he starts to get past him. I've already explained my view before but I think it looks bad. I think most of us agree on the post game stuff. Its not something I care to debate though. We all have a matter of opinion of where TJ started acting a fool. I think the block being b.s. and after the game is pretty uniform. It is that 5 seconds after that people see different things.
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Maybe I'm the only one but it looks bad in real time and slow motion to me. He points down at him 3 times and all the while you can see Miami players already motioning for the trainers to get over there. He walks away once he starts to get past him. I've already explained my view before but I think it looks bad. I think most of us agree on the post game stuff. Its not something I care to debate though. We all have a matter of opinion of where TJ started acting a fool. I think the block being b.s. and after the game is pretty uniform. It is that 5 seconds after that people see different things.

I understand where you're coming from but at the same time there are lots of things going on at that moment. Travis Johnson is focused on Trent Green and he's mad at Trent Green because he thinks that Trent Green threw a dangerous block. He's not looking at the other Miami players or paying attention to what they're doing. the entire thing from the moment he finds Green to the moment he jogs past him takes only 3-4 seconds.

In my opinion the slow motion versions make this look like some kind of "ban him for life" moment when it was really just an unfortunate sequence of events. It would have never taken on the life it has if Travis Johnson had just played it smart following the game.
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Lets say your child called you and was in trouble or immediately needed your help...like pronto...

You get in your car and begin speeding to their aid....

A cop pulls you over......You explain to him why you are speeding and ask to be let off with a warning so that you may attend to your ailing child...

He says no, states he could care less and he gives you a ticket anyways, further delaying you.

Totally legal, and understandable on the cops part...Totally understandable why you'd be upset....


Now lets say after writing the ticket the cop is walking back to his car and he trips over a rock and takes a nasty spill....He falls with his face in the mud...Legs fly in the air and it looks like a cartoon scene...

I don't know about you, but my original reaction is going to be to laugh....I'd be so ticked that he just gave me that ticket that my initial reaction probably wouldn't be to see if he was o.k...If he laid there motionless for a second, then that's when I'd probably realize what happened and see if I could help..

If I found out all he got was a bump on the head and he'll be alright, I'd probably say something along the same lines as T.J...Something like: "That ****, I had an emergency to tend to involving my child and that piece of ***** officer wouldn't let me go"

I can totally understand where he is coming from....He's human....Maybe I'm a monster too, but oh well....so goes life...

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I am absolutely positive that it was a cheap shot, yet TOTALLY legal block, according to the rules.

Defensive players have been lobby-ing for this rule change for years now. Due to exact situations like this happening in previous games. They just didn't get as much national attention as this particular one has, and the owners have never been able to get a majority vote to change the rule, previously.
Bocking below the waist, i.e. the knees, is allowed near the LOS.

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#3 Close Line Play: The area between the positions normally occupied by the offensive tackles, extending three yards on each side of the line of scrimmage. It is legal to clip above the knee.

#4 Crackback: Eligible receivers who take or move to a position more than two yards outside the tackle may not block an opponent below the waist if they then move back inside to block.
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I understand where you're coming from but at the same time there are lots of things going on at that moment. Travis Johnson is focused on Trent Green and he's mad at Trent Green because he thinks that Trent Green threw a dangerous block. He's not looking at the other Miami players or paying attention to what they're doing. the entire thing from the moment he finds Green to the moment he jogs past him takes only a few seconds.

In my opinion the slow motion versions make this look like some kind of "ban him for life" moment when it was really just an unfortunate sequence of events. It would have never taken on the life it has if Travis Johnson had just played it smart following the game.
Could not agree more. I also want people to understand that my opinion isn't some soapbox moment where I think TJ is some kind of bad guy. I think alot of it comes from seeing it on TV, having a reaction to it and the penalty and how it cost us and then hearing the words after the game. But I do understand him being peeved at the block and having a spur of the moment reaction...it just hit me bad. Again, I can't put myself in the heat of battle after getting upended like that.
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Ignore the media

You should know that by now.
And your point is? I do know that the media sensationalizes everything, but I don't like one of the players on my favorite team being called the worst player in the NFL, whether it's right or wrong. Do I think he is the worst person in the NFL? Of course not, but it's an unfortunate light shed on the Texans. Everyone that watches football knows who TJ is. Hell, he's the worst person in the NFL...
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Shouldn't TJ being a bust get him some kind of excuse? Kind of like a mentally challenged person getting a lesser jail sentence?
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Surely it doesn't look like I think he is in my post. Surely the part where I say, "do I think he's the worst person in the NFL", and followed with "of course not" states what I think.


And BTW, why wouldn't you sign your reply with Pacman?
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Bocking below the waist, i.e. the knees, is allowed near the LOS.

In the open field, i.e. on 20 yard loss, it is not allowed.

As taken from NFL.com; link

Clipping is not the same as chop blocking...

Clipping is when you hit a man in the back...Which means the back of the legs, or up high...

At the line of scrimmage in the trenches, clipping is allowed...It's not allowed anywhere else...

The crack back is when the reciever is lined up in the slot or outside and at the hike takes a B-line for a LB or DE, basically taking a blindside hit...They are saying that recievers can not cut in situations like that...

You can chop anywhere anytime except on change of posessions and I believe special teams.....

Meaning that if a RB or WR breaks, his teammate CAN chop down field, just as long as he is hitting the defender in the front and not "clipping" him from the back...
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Clipping is not the same as chop blocking...

Clipping is when you hit a man in the back...Which means the back of the legs, or up high...

At the line of scrimmage in the trenches, clipping is allowed...It's not allowed anywhere else...

The crack back is when the reciever is lined up in the slot or outside and at the hike takes a B-line for a LB or DE, basically taking a blindside hit...They are saying that recievers can not cut in situations like that...

You can chop anywhere anytime except on change of posessions and I believe special teams.....

Meaning that if a RB or WR breaks, his teammate CAN chop down field, just as long as he is hitting the defender in the front and not "clipping" him from the back...
Was Green an Eligible receiver on that play? Lets see; fumble went backwards from the beginning, the ball was never once passed forward. He is an eligible and thus the rule does apply.
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Was Green an Eligible receiver on that play? Lets see; fumble went backwards from the beginning, the ball was never once passed forward. He is an eligible and thus the rule does apply.
Sorry, but you are competely wrong.

Do you know what a crack block is ?

QB's don't crack block....

They are talking about recievers lined up outside of the tackle box who immediately take a path to blindside a LB or DE on an outside run...

They are not allowed to cut block in those instances...

Neither of those rules you posted has anything to do with the play that happened...
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Regardless of the hit, you do not point at a guy hurt or not moving on the ground. Thats just low
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Was Green an Eligible receiver on that play? Lets see; fumble went backwards from the beginning, the ball was never once passed forward. He is an eligible and thus the rule does apply.
hitting a player blindly at the knee (especially helmet to knee) isn't considered kosher regardless of the rule at hand.
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Add me to the list.........

That whole sequence was interesting to watch. There were more blocks than the Green on Johnson but you see the other blocks were above the waist.

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TJ was wrong for what he did, plain and simple. Anyone who has played sports knows this. Too many of you are trying to mitigate the heinousness of his behavior because he wears a Texans uniform.
TJ did not do any hitting to cause this tyrade. He lost his composure when a chump player took a cheap shot at a linemans knee. The only thing Travis did was lose his composure, and he apologized so let it be. Trent dug his own hole and fell into it and I for one am not giving him a ladder to climb out. I do hope he recovers but he took a cheep shot and it backfired. I hope that TJ's knee is ok. What kind of spin would it be if his knee is torn up, I believe if that is the outcome then this changes everything. If it is soreness and nothing else then lets play some football.
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