Travis Johnson and Trent Green

[Spled]

If someone chopped my knee and sent me landing on my head, I'd get up yelling too. Kubiak needs to have Johnson's back.

[kastofsna]

Originally Posted by Line_Producer

Sorry, let me rephrase. Cut blocking by offensive linemen and blocking by a player from the blindside on a 'return' are two competely different things. Any team.

not if it's a QB, that's the way they're taught to do it, they always go low. no one ever gets injured in those situations, it's pretty rare, and hardly cheap.

[Napa Auto Parts]

i missed the game did that trash get a flag/penalty for clipping.

[Hardcore Texan]

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

OK you guys who know nothing about football...I understand. I'm not going to go off. However, you got the trail defensive tackle doing what he is supposed to do, trail a revese and shut down the come back. The opposition QB tries to break the mans knees. Just to put a fine point on it, he lead his helmit into T.J. knees and it was shear luck that his cleats were not planted into the turff. Becuase if they were, Trent Green would of ended T.J.'s career. His knees are his livey hood. The way in which he delivered his displeasure might of been wrong. The message was not. Kuvbiak is dead wrong on this one. His temper and not his mind thought this one out. What he just told his locker room is I do not have your back. What he told every free agent who might think to come here in '08, I will not have your back. And what he told every psycho in the league is, you have my unmitagated permision to cheap shot my players. Not only will I not complain to the league, I will stand the guy up in front of the media and humiliate him. Mark it on your calenders. Gary Kubuiak lost this locker room Oct. the 11th 2007.

Is your calendar broken...today is the 7th.

[Line_Producer]

Originally Posted by kastofsna

not if it's a QB, that's the way they're taught to do it, they always go low. no one ever gets injured in those situations, it's pretty rare, and hardly cheap.

Well obviously someone got injured. I hate to see anyone injured, let alone a QB. Rare or not, it happened, unintentially<sp>, but it happened.

[NitroGSXR]

Originally Posted by Napa Auto Parts

i missed the game did that trash get a flag/penalty for clipping.

There was no clipping by the play. Clipping is when one blocks from behind. What happened was that Green issued an extremely low cut/chop block on Johnson. The legality of the play is in question. Was it a legal block or an illegal block, that's still up in the air with us. Some think it was illegal (myself included) Others think it was legal.

What's NOT being disputed is that regardless of the legality of the block, it was a cheap block.

And to answer your question, no penalty was given out on Trent Green. The only flag was the one against Travis Johnson for 'taunting' which is also being questioned. Was he taunting or jawing? That's also a matter of opinion.

[Second Honeymoon]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

Not really but that seems to be the consensus among people who didn't see what happened. Those people are commenting left and right about this and writing articles even as we speak. By mid-day Monday the UN will probably vote for sanctions against TJ.

For the record...

I don't believe that Green was trying to take out TJ's knee.
I don't believe that Green is much of a tackler to be honest.
I don't believe that TJ was trying to take out Green by kneeing him in the head.
I don't believe TJ even saw him until he felt the contact.
TJ didn't stand over a motionless, helpless Green and taunt him. TJ fired off a few choice words at the guy who he thought (mistakenly IMO) tried to block him low. When he saw that Green wasn't moving he dropped it and moved away.
Much of this is nothing more than misunderstanding and people judging it by what they heard or read. TJ isn't Albert Haynesworth. He didn't jump on somebodies head.

that is my take exactly. green bit off more than he could chew and realized it too late then turned his body right into TJ's knee. TJ knew that Green took a shot but didn't think it was as bad as it looked in slo-mo (which was pretty damn bad). At the end of the day its Green's fault. No one boohooed for TJ or the other texan that got blindsided during that play.

I hope Green is ok and I hope that TJ uses this as motivation....maybe even more of an edge. He has played some good football for us this year and didn't do anything that bad on the field today.

[Spled]

If Johnson had taken his helmet to Green's knee and somersaulted him on his head, the announcers would have been all over him.

[GP]

Pretty sure Michael Vick and OJ Simpson would have something to say about who gets awarded "Worst Person in the NFL."

LOL.

People are all kinds of fired-up over this.

Seriously.....it was unfortunate for both players--One guy went low and attempted to take his knees out, the other guy got angry about the attempt.

You guys are too funny.

[Second Honeymoon]

Originally Posted by Spled

If Johnson had taken his helmet to Green's knee and somersaulted him on his head, the announcers would have been all over him.

yup. TJ didn't show class by taunting a listless player and his comments after the game were pretty immature but what all started this was Green's cheap block. It's Green's fault not TJ's that this all happened. The football gods sided with us helping that 57 yarder go through the uprights.

football is a violent game and if its to hot then get out of the kitchen. this ain't golf or tennis.

[Htownsportsfan]

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

OK you guys who know nothing about football...I understand. I'm not going to go off. However, you got the trail defensive tackle doing what he is supposed to do, trail a revese and shut down the come back. The opposition QB tries to break the mans knees. Just to put a fine point on it, he lead his helmit into T.J. knees and it was shear luck that his cleats were not planted into the turff. Becuase if they were, Trent Green would of ended T.J.'s career. His knees are his livey hood. The way in which he delivered his displeasure might of been wrong. The message was not. Kuvbiak is dead wrong on this one. His temper and not his mind thought this one out. What he just told his locker room is I do not have your back. What he told every free agent who might think to come here in '08, I will not have your back. And what he told every psycho in the league is, you have my unmitagated permision to cheap shot my players. Not only will I not complain to the league, I will stand the guy up in front of the media and humiliate him. Mark it on your calenders. Gary Kubuiak lost this locker room Oct. the 11th 2007.

Too funny! Mark it on your calenders! Lost locker room! What a tool!

[kastofsna]

Originally Posted by Second Honeymoon

I hope Green is ok and I hope that TJ uses this as motivation....maybe even more of an edge. He has played some good football for us this year and didn't do anything that bad on the field today.

he should've used it for motivation in the rest of the game, where he looked like crap. also, the Dolphins used it as motivation for sure, which is why Johnson was seen limping later in the game. and good riddance, hope he never plays again. would be an upgrade for the Texans, anyway.

[AnthonyE]

Originally Posted by kastofsna

not if it's a QB, that's the way they're taught to do it, they always go low. no one ever gets injured in those situations, it's pretty rare, and hardly cheap.

QBs have no business blocking a 305 lb defensive tackle, let alone a 37 year old QB trying to block a 305 lb DT.

If he was going to block someone, make it a DB.

[Texanmike02]

Originally Posted by kastofsna

not if it's a QB, that's the way they're taught to do it, they always go low. no one ever gets injured in those situations, it's pretty rare, and hardly cheap.

I'm not going to sit here and call TJ or TG dirty. I'm just going to say this. It was a hard play. But it could have resulted in serious injury to TJ. TG's was just bad luck. Its unfortunate that he was hurt but he could have ended TJ's career just as easily. TJ had a right to be mad. He didn't know the situation. He didn't know the injury. Look back about a min after the play. At least on the Sunday ticket broadcast... TJ looked shaken up. I don't expect a QB to know how to block, so I won't call it cheap. But if it was a RB or a WR or TE I'd be calling it cheap. Very dangerous. If TJ had all of his weight on that leg when he got hit it very easily could have shredded.

Mike

[Leahmic223]

I promise you had Green got right back up he would be in the wrong for this and the National media would ignore it completely.

But forget it, its behind me now. Travis should let it go too, we have a big game next week against the Jags.

[Koolaid Time]

I think the on-field incident was a regrettable accident.

What I DO have a big problem with is TJ’s post game locker room interview. I watched it on the NFLN and you can hear teammates telling him to “cool down” etc. while TJ just let it rip about Green going for his knees, etc. and ‘if someone does that to me I’ do this... (bleep)’…..

It was embarrassing. Apparently someone told the coaches because 20 minutes later he came back and apologized.

[Showtime100]

Just watching Mike & Mike In The Morning and Golic totally defended TJ's position. I couldn't believe my eyes. Then Greeny The Weenie went after TJ for screwing up the Wizard Of Oz reference..lol.

I don't blame TJ either. I give Trent Grenn props for having such a pair for attempting that block. Glad to see Trent doing OK and TJ still walking.

[PapaL]

Bocking below the waist, i.e. the knees, is allowed neat the LOS.

In the open field, i.e. on 20 yard loss, it is not allowed.

As taken from NFL.com; link

#3 Close Line Play: The area between the positions normally occupied by the offensive tackles, extending three yards on each side of the line of scrimmage. It is legal to clip above the knee.

#4 Crackback: Eligible receivers who take or move to a position more than two yards outside the tackle may not block an opponent below the waist if they then move back inside to block.

/Thread

[Maddict5]

i was just thinking tj's going to be vilified nationally by MMQB fatso peter king- him and green are bum-chums so watch for him to dog tj totally

[Malloy]

Originally Posted by Carr Bomb

It sure is funny we ask these guys to get jacked up before a game and go out with a certain "take their head off" mentality, but if they actually lose their cool in a already emotional game to begin with...........they are supposed to not have human responses.

Hehe, were thinking the same thing. It would be nice if we fans could get a concensus on whether or not we want our players to get hyped, jacked up, angry, emotional or whatever before a game. We can scratch Mario's car to make him pissed off, but getting pissed off in a game is a big no-no?

We need concensus, I'm getting so confused here