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Old 01-08-2008   #521
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Vince is good enough as a hybrid run/pass player and as a gutty competitor, that he will find a way to win close games if surrounded by the right talent. I can see a lot of 10-6, 9-7 seasons in his future. The problem is that when he gets to the playoffs, his mediocre passing arm will always be exposed by the better defenses. That's why I'd rather have Schaub/Rosefeld playing for the Texans.
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I wonder why so many of us were bending over backwards to give Carr more time to 'develop' and blaming the lack of talent around him, but when someone tries to give VY half the leeway, the same rules dont apply. I wonder why there is a difference. VY has been in the league 2 freaking years and helped his team to the playoffs in just his 2nd year. before VY 3-13. after VY 8-8 then playoffs the following year. Why the unmitigated hatred and bias? Why is he judged with different standards?

If VY had been drafted by teh Texans and we had just made the playoffs in his 2nd year, something tells me that opinions would differ greatly. beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess and everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Your argument doesn't apply to me. I thought Carr sucked after his third season. To be honest, I don't think that Young was necessarily better than Carr when Carr was playing for us. Vince was more mobile, but both threw more INTs than TDs, both made poor decisions, etc. Carr had a better completion percentage though. In my honest opinion they are both garbage (certainly Carr more than Young these days). Young plays for a great defensive football team, they win despite of him. If he played for Houston, it is possible that we would have went 0-16 or 1-15 this season.
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I wonder why so many of us were bending over backwards to give Carr more time to 'develop' and blaming the lack of talent around him, but when someone tries to give VY half the leeway, the same rules dont apply. I wonder why there is a difference. VY has been in the league 2 freaking years and helped his team to the playoffs in just his 2nd year. before VY 3-13. after VY 8-8 then playoffs the following year. Why the unmitigated hatred and bias? Why is he judged with different standards?

If VY had been drafted by teh Texans and we had just made the playoffs in his 2nd year, something tells me that opinions would differ greatly. beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess and everyone is entitled to their opinion.
They made the play offs despite VY, not because of VY. Its just a simple fact that right now, VY would be 3rd on our depth chart. 3rd. Its funny you mention Carr in your post, becasue for now, VY reminds me alot of Carr. Sub standard. He makes awful throws, he runs when he should just slide, he slides when he should go, and he takes bad sacks or puts it up for grabs when under pressure. He is around 39 or so in top 40 QBs in the NFL.
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They made the play offs despite VY, not because of VY. Its just a simple fact that right now, VY would be 3rd on our depth chart. 3rd. Its funny you mention Carr in your post, becasue for now, VY reminds me alot of Carr. Sub standard. He makes awful throws, he runs when he should just slide, he slides when he should go, and he takes bad sacks or puts it up for grabs when under pressure. He is around 39 or so in top 40 QBs in the NFL.
fun trivia: of the 12 most sacked QB's in the NFL, Young is one of them and has the lowest passer rating of those 12!
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Carr was sacked fewer times in his 2nd year than Young was this season.


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I wonder why so many of us were bending over backwards to give Carr more time to 'develop' and blaming the lack of talent around him, but when someone tries to give VY half the leeway, the same rules dont apply. I wonder why there is a difference.
David Carr NEVER had the hype around him that Vince Young does. I have been told on more than one occasion that VY is so awesome that the NFL rulebook would have to be changed to balance out the pro game with his immortal talent in the league. DC had none of that kind of hype and hyperbole around him, and he was on an expansion team to boot.

Besides, you are generalizing Texans fans. There have been many fans that wanted Carr gone when they got rid of Capers. Others that rooted for him because he was a Texan, even against their own better judgement. It takes all kinds, and there was certainly never a shared opinion among a large majority of Houston fans.

And besides, after five seasons of watching bad QB play, wouldn't Texans fans be experts on the subject? Many see VY and recognize the symptoms.

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Why the unmitigated hatred and bias? Why is he judged with different standards?
1. Overwhelming hype
2. He's a Tennesee Titan
3. He's on the Madden cover after his rookie season (expectations were high!)
4. Pro Bowl in his rookie year
5. OROY 2006
6. Did I mention he's a Tennessee Titan?

See, the thing is that after all of the above, VY was supposed to hit the 2007 season running on all cylinders. We were told that he did not have a learning curve, but rather the league had a learning curve to figure out how to defend Vince Young. Super Bowl victories were all but guaranteed for the next decade, simply because his greatness could carry even a mediocre team.

Turns out, even with a great defense and running game, he never lived up to the hype. He went through a sophomore slump and has struggled. This is NOTHING like the Vince Young of myth and legend, which has turned gold expectations into goatmeal mush.

Using lame excuses that he needed more talent (yet they still made the freakin' playoffs) and he's been injured are not worthy of His Greatness. These reasons....errrr...excuses don't work for other players or teams, so why would he get the benefit of the doubt?

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I wonder why so many of us were bending over backwards to give Carr more time to 'develop' and blaming the lack of talent around him, but when someone tries to give VY half the leeway, the same rules dont apply. I wonder why there is a difference. VY has been in the league 2 freaking years and helped his team to the playoffs in just his 2nd year. before VY 3-13. after VY 8-8 then playoffs the following year. Why the unmitigated hatred and bias? Why is he judged with different standards?

If VY had been drafted by teh Texans and we had just made the playoffs in his 2nd year, something tells me that opinions would differ greatly. beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess and everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I know I should just probably keep my mouth shut here but what the hell I am not one who shys away from making my point even if it means getting flamed.

Not sure why a VY thread has to turn into a YKW debate but weren't you the same guy who earlier in the seasonwas trashing Mario and Kubiak almost to the point , scratch that it was to the point and very loudly I might add, of wanting Kubiak fired and Cowher hired at no matter the cost. So Kubiak does not even get two full season to fix the mess but an ex-Longhorn should and deserves time to develop.

Yes why is vy treated with different standards than you give your so called own damn team. Please explain to me how vy helped his team to the playoff versus hampered them from having a better seeding?

Of course opinions would be different if vy was a Texan that is what fans do, of course it does not help that he plays for satin in a hair piece. A lot of the fans who trash him would not and a lot of people who give him the benefit of the doubt and say give him time to develop will not even do that regarding a certain defensive lineman, so you tell me why that is?

You did get it right we are all entitled to our different opinions, and as much crap as I have given titans fans about vy's play last year, this year he has not improved one bit.
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David Carr NEVER had the hype around him that Vince Young does. I have been told on more than one occasion that VY is so awesome that the NFL rulebook would have to be changed to balance out the pro game with his immortal talent in the league. DC had none of that kind of hype and hyperbole around him, and he was on an expansion team to boot.

Besides, you are generalizing Texans fans. There have been many fans that wanted Carr gone when they got rid of Capers. Others that rooted for him because he was a Texan, even against their own better judgement. It takes all kinds, and there was certainly never a shared opinion among a large majority of Houston fans.

And besides, after five seasons of watching bad QB play, wouldn't Texans fans be experts on the subject? Many see VY and recognize the symptoms.



1. Overwhelming hype
2. He's a Tennesee Titan
3. He's on the Madden cover after his rookie season (expectations were high!)
4. Pro Bowl in his rookie year
5. OROY 2006
6. Did I mention he's a Tennessee Titan?

See, the thing is that after all of the above, VY was supposed to hit the 2007 season running on all cylinders. We were told that he did not have a learning curve, but rather the league had a learning curve to figure out how to defend Vince Young. Super Bowl victories were all but guaranteed for the next decade, simply because his greatness could carry even a mediocre team.

Turns out, even with a great defense and running game, he never lived up to the hype. He went through a sophomore slump and has struggled. This is NOTHING like the Vince Young of myth and legend, which has turned gold expectations into goatmeal mush.

Using lame excuses that he needed more talent (yet they still made the freakin' playoffs) and he's been injured are not worthy of His Greatness. These reasons....errrr...excuses don't work for other players or teams, so why would he get the benefit of the doubt?



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At least no one's writing stupid articles like this anymore - http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...ene&id=2693417
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he should move to wide out, they would have beat san diego with kerry collins takin the snaps....... im 99% sure......


or trade him since so many people think hes such a great qb
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The only reason Young got Madden Cover was due to the SD fans crying like LT in a bad game over him getting the cover. Must be something in the air is SD.
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David Carr NEVER had the hype around him that Vince Young does. I have been told on more than one occasion that VY is so awesome that the NFL rulebook would have to be changed to balance out the pro game with his immortal talent in the league. DC had none of that kind of hype and hyperbole around him, and he was on an expansion team to boot.

Besides, you are generalizing Texans fans. There have been many fans that wanted Carr gone when they got rid of Capers. Others that rooted for him because he was a Texan, even against their own better judgement. It takes all kinds, and there was certainly never a shared opinion among a large majority of Houston fans.

And besides, after five seasons of watching bad QB play, wouldn't Texans fans be experts on the subject? Many see VY and recognize the symptoms.



1. Overwhelming hype
2. He's a Tennesee Titan
3. He's on the Madden cover after his rookie season (expectations were high!)
4. Pro Bowl in his rookie year
5. OROY 2006
6. Did I mention he's a Tennessee Titan?

See, the thing is that after all of the above, VY was supposed to hit the 2007 season running on all cylinders. We were told that he did not have a learning curve, but rather the league had a learning curve to figure out how to defend Vince Young. Super Bowl victories were all but guaranteed for the next decade, simply because his greatness could carry even a mediocre team.

Turns out, even with a great defense and running game, he never lived up to the hype. He went through a sophomore slump and has struggled. This is NOTHING like the Vince Young of myth and legend, which has turned gold expectations into goatmeal mush.

Using lame excuses that he needed more talent (yet they still made the freakin' playoffs) and he's been injured are not worthy of His Greatness. These reasons....errrr...excuses don't work for other players or teams, so why would he get the benefit of the doubt?



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OK I still don't think number 4 counts. I mean come on he only made the pro bowl because 1. Brady Withdrew, 2. Rivers got hurt and couldn't play. Being a 3rd choice to be a 3rd stringer does not count in my mind.
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may as well have; you only got to go b/c Indy felt sorry for you guys standing outside with us so she fixed you guys up with her ugly cousin, SD. But when you came to the door to pick her up, she decided she'd rather go stag instead & kicked you to the curb, in your powder blue penguin tuxedo.

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may as well have; you only got to go b/c Indy felt sorry for you guys standing outside with us so she fixed you guys up with her ugly cousin, SD. But when you came to the door to pick her up, she decided she'd rather go stag instead & kicked you to the curb, in your powder blue penguin tuxedo.


That reminds me of the date scene in better off dead where Cusack picks up that ugly girl and she totals up the date costs and he says do you take a check hahahahaha. Tits fans actually think they got there and earned it.
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That reminds me of the date scene in better off dead where Cusack picks up that ugly girl and she totals up the date costs and he says do you take a check hahahahaha. Tits fans actually think they got there and earned it.
yeah they were there, but they followed their date around all night & she took her prom pictures with another guy.
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yeah they were there, but they followed their date around all night & she took her prom pictures with another guy.


hahahaha, they spent the night by the punch table. At least we knew we were not going to the dance and went to a bar with easy women.
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And along with your cookie for making the playoffs and losing, here's some news you might find disconcerting, unless you think it is great that the Titan MB is getting more famous on the interwebs:

"Mawae: Young Still Needs to Learn the Titans Offense"

And he quoted extensively from your MB in case your adminstrators don't want people to read this and decide to delete it from your MB because they delete legit football posts over there sometimes.
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And along with your cookie for making the playoffs and losing, here's some news you might find disconcerting, unless you think it is great that the Titan MB is getting more famous on the interwebs:

"Mawae: Young Still Needs to Learn the Titans Offense"

And he quoted extensively from your MB in case your adminstrators don't want people to read this and decide to delete it from your MB because they delete legit football posts over there sometimes.


hahahah thats awesome!!
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