Vince Young and the Disappearing Sausage Trick

[austintexanite]

Mawae voices his opinion on the Messiah.

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[Second Honeymoon]

VY may not be as good as he thinks he is but he is a hell of a lot better than some of us Texans faithful give him credit for. Did anyone watch teh game? he has NOONE around him. A couple average RBs and absolutely NO TALENT at WR. When his tight ends are healthy it approaches NFL quality but still comes up short.

Thank God Bud is so cheap or we could have another powerhouse in our division. As long as they are in the bottom of the league in payroll, they will never be that relevant. Fisher willed them into the playoffs this year and I just don't see it happening next year barring a roster revamp.

VY needs to speak up about the lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball or he will be doomed to failure in Tenn....which works out just fine for me as I am a Texan fan first and foremost.

[austintexanite]

Originally Posted by Second Honeymoon

VY may not be as good as he thinks he is but he is a hell of a lot better than some of us Texans faithful give him credit for. Did anyone watch teh game? he has NOONE around him. A couple average RBs and absolutely NO TALENT at WR. When his tight ends are healthy it approaches NFL quality but still comes up short.

Thank God Bud is so cheap or we could have another powerhouse in our division. As long as they are in the bottom of the league in payroll, they will never be that relevant. Fisher willed them into the playoffs this year and I just don't see it happening next year barring a roster revamp.

VY needs to speak up about the lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball or he will be doomed to failure in Tenn....which works out just fine for me as I am a Texan fan first and foremost.

I have stated that I rooted for him in college but not in the NFL. I agree they need speed at the receiver position and he needs to get more accurate. Your second and third paragraphs are right on the button.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Second Honeymoon

VY may not be as good as he thinks he is but he is a hell of a lot better than some of us Texans faithful give him credit for. Did anyone watch teh game? he has NOONE around him. A couple average RBs and absolutely NO TALENT at WR.

Kerry Collins did not seem to have a problem completing passes to those same WRs.

Dude has a great running game and fantastic defense. Teams have won with lesser talent at QB *cough*RexGrossman/Bears*cough*

[ATX]

Maybe the Titans should have considered the great talent around VY at UT before they drafted him.

[Second Honeymoon]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

Kerry Collins did not seem to have a problem completing passes to those same WRs.

Dude has a great running game and fantastic defense. Teams have won with lesser talent at QB *cough*RexGrossman/Bears*cough*

nowhere near the same WRs that VY had to throw to in San Diego.

as for the 'great running game'. you mean the running game that fumbled at least two times in scoring position. i will say their defensive is fantastic and Fisher is just an incredible coach and motivator, but their offensive talent (besides OL which is decent when healthy but was in shambles on Sunday with 2 starters out on the OLine) is pretty horrible.

Thank god, I am not a Titans fan because its practially unwatchable, and its not VYs fault its that way. Its just a lack of talent at the skill positions. No gamebreakers at all. And something is up with VY, he doesnt seem to have the gamebreaking speed and elusiveness. Some would say injury but I dont think he dedicated himself in the offseason enough. he seems a little pudgy to be frank and a shadow of the athleticism he showed last year.

[ATRAIN]

Originally Posted by Second Honeymoon

nowhere near the same WRs that VY had to throw to in San Diego.

as for the 'great running game'. you mean the running game that fumbled at least two times in scoring position. i will say their defensive is fantastic and Fisher is just an incredible coach and motivator, but their offensive talent (besides OL which is decent when healthy but was in shambles on Sunday with 2 starters out on the OLine) is pretty horrible.

Thank god, I am not a Titans fan because its practially unwatchable, and its not VYs fault its that way. Its just a lack of talent at the skill positions. No gamebreakers at all. And something is up with VY, he doesnt seem to have the gamebreaking speed and elusiveness. Some would say injury but I dont think he dedicated himself in the offseason enough. he seems a little pudgy to be frank and a shadow of the athleticism he showed last year.

Bottom line VY sucks, Collins did good with the talent around him and VY couldn't. He is a bust and the sooner people start to realize that the better off we will be. FREE AUSTIN FROM THE VY BALL LICKING!!!

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Second Honeymoon

nowhere near the same WRs that VY had to throw to in San Diego.

as for the 'great running game'. you mean the running game that fumbled at least two times in scoring position. i will say their defensive is fantastic and Fisher is just an incredible coach and motivator, but their offensive talent (besides OL which is decent when healthy but was in shambles on Sunday with 2 starters out on the OLine) is pretty horrible.

So, basically you are saying that Vince Young does not elevate the talent around him and needs a better team to make him better.

But, that's not what the hype says...

See, I have been told on numerous occassions that VY is a playmaker, a game breaker, a one man enigma of winning fury.

You are making it sound like he is a mere mortal. I can live with that, but it just doesn't add up to the massively overwhelming BS that has been spewed about the guy for two seasons now.

[ATRAIN]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

So, basically you are saying that Vince Young does not elevate the talent around him and needs a better team to make him better.

But, that's not what the hype says...

See, I have been told on numerous occassions that VY is a playmaker, a game breaker, a one man enigma of winning fury.

You are making it sound like he is a mere mortal. I can live with that, but it just doesn't add up to the massively overwhelming BS that has been spewed about the guy for two seasons now.

This is my personal fav "He just knows how to win" hahahahah yeah he proved that this past weekend didn't he!!


Save Austin From the VY Knob Slobbers!!

[kastofsna]

but their offensive talent (besides OL which is decent when healthy but was in shambles on Sunday with 2 starters out on the OLine) is pretty horrible.

especially their quarterback, he's the worst player out of them all.

[Second Honeymoon]

Originally Posted by kastofsna

especially their quarterback, he's the worst player out of them all.

yup and coming from any Dolphins fan that is pretty damning. If anyone knows about bad quarterback play lately its a fan of the Dolphins. That team has been re-writing the book on bad QB play for over a decade and its showing no sign of stopping in the near future.

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

So, basically you are saying that Vince Young does not elevate the talent around him and needs a better team to make him better.

But, that's not what the hype says...

See, I have been told on numerous occassions that VY is a playmaker, a game breaker, a one man enigma of winning fury.

You are making it sound like he is a mere mortal. I can live with that, but it just doesn't add up to the massively overwhelming BS that has been spewed about the guy for two seasons now.

Rep.... Too funny!!! and this coming from someone who has personally felt the wrath since I was a non-beleiver.

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Second Honeymoon

yup and coming from any Dolphins fan that is pretty damning. If anyone knows about bad quarterback play lately its a fan of the Dolphins. That team has been re-writing the book on bad QB play for over a decade and its showing no sign of stopping in the near future.

Technically not a decade, but it has been 10 QB's since Marino retired in 1999:

Feidler
Feeley
Frerotte
Harrington
Green
Lemon

(mix in some spot appearances from Culpepper, Rosenfels, Ray Lucas, Brian Greise).

Considering that Marino retired in 1999, thats a lot of instability at the QB position.

[adam]

Originally Posted by Second Honeymoon

VY may not be as good as he thinks he is but he is a hell of a lot better than some of us Texans faithful give him credit for. Did anyone watch teh game? he has NOONE around him. A couple average RBs and absolutely NO TALENT at WR. When his tight ends are healthy it approaches NFL quality but still comes up short.

Is this why he managed to throw 17 INTs this season? People need to stop making excuses for Young. The not so talented players around him do not make the poor decisions with the football, it's that simple. Vince Young does have a good deal of physical talent. That said, he does not throw the ball accurately on a consistent basis. He is also prone to extreme mental errors. You can not blame this on the talent around him. He needs to develop faster than he is. Otherwise, he is well on his way to the Hall of Shame.

[Second Honeymoon]

Originally Posted by adam

Is this why he managed to throw 17 INTs this season? People need to stop making excuses for Young. The not so talented players around him do not make the poor decisions with the football, it's that simple. Vince Young does have a good deal of physical talent. That said, he does not throw the ball accurately on a consistent basis. He is also prone to extreme mental errors. You can not blame this on the talent around him. He needs to develop faster than he is. Otherwise, he is well on his way to the Hall of Shame.

I wonder why so many of us were bending over backwards to give Carr more time to 'develop' and blaming the lack of talent around him, but when someone tries to give VY half the leeway, the same rules dont apply. I wonder why there is a difference. VY has been in the league 2 freaking years and helped his team to the playoffs in just his 2nd year. before VY 3-13. after VY 8-8 then playoffs the following year. Why the unmitigated hatred and bias? Why is he judged with different standards?

If VY had been drafted by teh Texans and we had just made the playoffs in his 2nd year, something tells me that opinions would differ greatly. beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[dtran04]

Well one thing is sure. I think people in Houston love VY way more than people in Tennessee. Houston people really love this whole "hometown" mantra. I swear people are still pissed the Rockets passed on Rashard Lewis.

[kastofsna]

Originally Posted by Second Honeymoon

yup and coming from any Dolphins fan

you're pathetic.

[brakos82]

Originally Posted by kastofsna

you're pathetic.

heh.

[Second Honeymoon]

Originally Posted by kastofsna

you're pathetic.

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[brakos82]

Originally Posted by Second Honeymoon

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My response was better.