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Old 10-04-2007   #21
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I always defined it as when a player who normally doesn't rush the QB, does rush. In a 4-3, this means the LB's and/or DB's.

In a 3/4, OLB's also double as down lineman on pass plays, so I would not consider those players as blitzing players. But, if an ILB or DB rushed, then I would consider that a blitz.

That's the way I see it, and in this case I would side with the defintion given by Marc Vandemeer.
Whoa, missed this thread. That's pretty much what I'd go with. In the vernacular, I'd say Andre was pwned.
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Under Andre's definition, could you not "Blitz" (let's say two extra men), and say the TE and FB jump onto the line and help block. Does that change it from a blitz to pressure?
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Blitz, when anyone other than a down defensive lineman rushes the passer. If it is a 34 or 43 line up it doesn't matter. If someone other than the guys that are standing/hands on the ground as lineman at the line of scrimage goes after the QB, it's a blitz.
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I missed it this morning but this is a big reason why I don't like Andre Ware. He makes assinine statements (ie. Deion Sanders is the best football player ever) and is too quick on the defense when questioned about it. It's almost like trying to have an adult discussion with a 10 year old.

I loved MV when he was with Rich in the afternoon but I just can't stomach the morning show with Ware.
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Blitz, when anyone other than a down defensive lineman rushes the passer. If it is a 34 or 43 line up it doesn't matter. If someone other than the guys that are standing/hands on the ground as lineman at the line of scrimage goes after the QB, it's a blitz.
Agreed! You bring anybody other than a lineman, you're blitzing. The o-lineman have their assignments to block those down linemen. When somebody comes other than those guys, adjustments have to be made, aka, picking up the blitz.
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I just kinda define a blitz when a man who is usually in a coverage technique rushes the passer in passing downs or shoots a gap in a "run blitz".
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Under Andre's definition, could you not "Blitz" (let's say two extra men, a CB and LB), and say the TE and FB jump onto the line and help block. Does that change it from a "blitz" to "pressure?"
So this is correct (correct as in a flaw in Andre's argument), correct? (sorry all, remember, I never played football!)
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So this is correct (correct as in a flaw in Andre's argument), correct? (sorry all, remember, I never played football!)
That would be correct under Andrea's line of thinking.
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This is a great topic. Bottom line, it's probably going to boil down perspective and your experience playing football.

First thing to consider is when did the term come about and what was the intent of the definition at that time. The term blitz came around in 50's I believe. I think we can all agree the game has changed a lot since then. Back then, I believe this strategy was developed to overwhelm the blockers by sheer numbers while giving up the advantage on the coverage side. Which supports Andre's contention.

Second, you have to take into account the term stunt. That is a defensive manuever that uses the same amount of lineman/rushers but is used to confuse the blocking scheme.

Now, if you start dropping lineman back into coverage and rushing a LB or defensive back, do you really want to call that a blitz? That really sounds like a stunt to me if you are only rushing 4 to 5 guys at end of the play. You are just trying to confuse the blocking scheme, not overwhelm it with sheer numbers.
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This is a great topic. Bottom line, it's probably going to boil down perspective and your experience playing football.

First thing to consider is when did the term come about and what was the intent of the definition at that time. The term blitz came around in 50's I believe. I think we can all agree the game has changed a lot since then. Back then, I believe this strategy was developed to overwhelm the blockers by sheer numbers while giving up the advantage on the coverage side. Which supports Andre's contention.

Second, you have to take into account the term stunt. That is a defensive manuever that uses the same amount of lineman/rushers but is used to confuse the blocking scheme.

Now, if you start dropping lineman back into coverage and rushing a LB or defensive back, do you really want to call that a blitz? That really sounds like a stunt to me if you are only rushing 4 to 5 guys at end of the play. You are just trying to confuse the blocking scheme, not overwhelm it with sheer numbers.
a stunt is when you cross over and take the the gap of the player beside you. ie Mario taking an inside rush and pressuring the Guard while Okoye swings wide and taking on the Offensive Tackle
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This is a great topic. Bottom line, it's probably going to boil down perspective and your experience playing football.

First thing to consider is when did the term come about and what was the intent of the definition at that time. The term blitz came around in 50's I believe. I think we can all agree the game has changed a lot since then. Back then, I believe this strategy was developed to overwhelm the blockers by sheer numbers while giving up the advantage on the coverage side. Which supports Andre's contention.

Second, you have to take into account the term stunt. That is a defensive manuever that uses the same amount of lineman/rushers but is used to confuse the blocking scheme.

Now, if you start dropping lineman back into coverage and rushing a LB or defensive back, do you really want to call that a blitz? That really sounds like a stunt to me if you are only rushing 4 to 5 guys at end of the play. You are just trying to confuse the blocking scheme, not overwhelm it with sheer numbers.
This is a definition i support and i think both views are legit
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I just kinda define a blitz when a man who is usually in a coverage technique rushes the passer in passing downs or shoots a gap in a "run blitz".
That's pretty much how I've always thought of a blitz. I listened to this exchange with Andre & Marc, and it definately got pretty heated between the two of them. You could actually hear Andre get up towards the end of it & say something to the effect of "out" or "break". I've always thought of a blitz much like Marc explained it, but I guess Andre didn't like having a radio guy telling him what a blitz is live on the air with his 30 years of football experience.
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a stunt is when you cross over and take the the gap of the player beside you. ie Mario taking an inside rush and pressuring the Guard while Okoye swings wide and taking on the Offensive Tackle
What is the purpose of a stunt?

To confuse the blocking scheme.

Take a step back and look at the objective.

You are looking at a stunt too literally.

Bottom line, the Texans didn't blitz 27 times against the Falcons. Kubiak sounds like a politician playing with budget numbers.
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This is a great topic. Bottom line, it's probably going to boil down perspective and your experience playing football.

First thing to consider is when did the term come about and what was the intent of the definition at that time. The term blitz came around in 50's I believe. I think we can all agree the game has changed a lot since then. Back then, I believe this strategy was developed to overwhelm the blockers by sheer numbers while giving up the advantage on the coverage side. Which supports Andre's contention.

Second, you have to take into account the term stunt. That is a defensive manuever that uses the same amount of lineman/rushers but is used to confuse the blocking scheme.

Now, if you start dropping lineman back into coverage and rushing a LB or defensive back, do you really want to call that a blitz? That really sounds like a stunt to me if you are only rushing 4 to 5 guys at end of the play. You are just trying to confuse the blocking scheme, not overwhelm it with sheer numbers.
Excellent summary. You should have called in and straightened them both out.

And I always thought that "pressure" was the intended result of a blitz or a stunt, not a scheme unto itself.
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I think Andre is probably right technically if you think back to when the term came into play and the strategy was developed. It's just the game has changed so much over the last 20 years or so. The term was never intended for this type of stuff.

I'll give you an scenario. What if a defense decides to rush 4 DBs and 1 LB and drops back the 4 down lineman to assist the 2 LBs in a coverage. This is assuming a typical 4-3 defense.

Would you call that a blitz?

I wouldn't.

But, I can see how someone could look at as a blitz though. My opinion, it isn't, your just trying to confuse the offense, not knock the QB's block off.

Bottom line, you have to factor in the stunt concept when discussing this topic and these so-called "exotic blitzs".

I believe the term blitz is overused and was probably the bigger point Andre was making.

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What is the purpose of a stunt?

To confuse the blocking scheme.

Take a step back and look at the objective.

You are looking at a stunt too literally.

Bottom line, the Texans didn't blitz 27 times against the Falcons. Kubiak sounds like a politician playing with budget numbers.
Kubiak is a very conservative type and i guess he views anything other than a four man rush a blitz .
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In a 3-4 your OLB's are not normally looked at as "blitzers" when they rush the QB...


A stunt has nothing to do with a blitz...Two totally different things that really don't have much of a connection...

Most of the time your D-line is running stunts, and any LB or DB that rushes is merely blitzing...


This really isn't that difficult...I think people are making it harder than it has to be..

Andre may have meant something totally different, but from the definition that I read he's just flat out wrong...


How could a defense have a "blitz package" if they don't know who is going to be staying in to block ?

When Demeco rushes the QB it's called a blitz....even if they don't send out one reciever and the whole team and all their fans are back there pass protecting...it's called a blitz...
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I think Andre is probably right technically if you think back to when the term came into play and the strategy was developed. It's just the game has changed so much over the last 20 years or so. The term was never intended for this type of stuff.

I'll give you an scenario. What if a defense decides to rush 4 DBs and 1 LB and drops back the 4 down lineman to assist the 2 LBs in a coverage. This is assuming a typical 4-3 defense.

Would you call that a blitz?

I wouldn't.

But, I can see how someone could look at as a blitz though. My opinion, it isn't, your just trying to confuse the offense, not knock the QB's block off.

Bottom line, you have to factor in the stunt concept when discussing this topic and these so-called "exotic blitzs".

I believe the term blitz is overused and was probably the bigger point Andre was making.
I'd call that a blitz because according to my understanding of it, it's not about numbers. If a DB is coming, it's a blitz. If a LB is coming, it's a blitz. If a lineman is falling back into coverage and a LB is coming, it's still a blitz because he's not a down linemen.

I don't think the concept of trying to confuse blocking schemes needs to be taken into account at all. It's not that complicated. And I don't think the term is overused because it's still an accurate description of what's happening when an LB or DB is coming and trying to shoot a gap and get penetration. Whether that's to tackle the QB or the RB.
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Bottom line, you have to factor in the stunt concept when discussing this topic and these so-called "exotic blitzs".

D-lines run stunts....There can be a LB or DB directly involved with that D-linemans stunt, but that LB or DB is still blitzing....not stunting...

Get it?

The whole thing together is called a "stunt"...But the term for what the D-lineman is doing is called stunting and that LB or DB is blitzing, but are involved with the stunt...

If you combine the two then you would say: "hey they ran a stunt. The LB blitzed a gap and the DE stunted around him"...




It doesn't matter if they drop all four D-lineman and one lonely CB rushes the passer...

That corner is still blitzing...

Please don't let Andre Ware confuse you..

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Then what is it?
In a 3-4, like Spec said, you normally are going to have atleast one of those OLB's if not both rushing on every down...

Watch the Cowboys play...

Normally they are going to be up on the line of scrimmage also...

Those guys have special roles so it's kind of hard and just a kind of situational thing as to whether you would truly say that an OLB in the 3-4 "blitzed"...

Most of the time you would just say "they came on that one"...

OLB's in a 3-4 are essentially D-lineman that have a little more athletic ability and can move a little bit in space...
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