No EyE for talent

[pappy]

So this great and all wonderful coach we now have has for the last two years put his faith on two complete failures . Those two being dominick davies , and ahman green . Both have flopped one completely the other almost so . Does he have it in him to find a running back ever ? Or are we to suffer with backs that cannot get a yard ? What say yea ?

What are you talking about???

[YellerLotYeller]

Originally Posted by pappy

So this great and all wonderful coach we now have has for the last two years put his faith on two complete failures . Those two being dominick davies , and ahman green . Both have flopped one completely the other almost so . Does he have it in him to find a running back ever ? Or are we to suffer with backs that cannot get a yard ? What say yea ?

Signed,

Ricky Williams' Agent

[Thorn]

If healthy, both of them are excellent backs quite worthy of starting for the Texans. The problem is they won't stay healthy. The eye for talent is there my friend, it's his prognosticating the future health of his players is off. However, signing Green with a known history of problems was simply a stop gap measure, not a fix.

We are going to have to get a good back in the draft next year.

[HJam72]

We just have too many needs. We didn't fill any of them when we got Okoye, but who wants to give him up? Thought so.

We don't just need a durable, talented RB.

We also need a talented CB, a durable, talented LT, a ball-hawking FS, and we may even still need a real #2 WR. I know we got AD and JJ, but I suspect they will BOTH turn out to be injury prone. I guess we could have them take turns being injured. Mathis of course is going to sit out if he breaks a nail.

[Tulip]

Not drafting Reggie Bush does not equal believing in Domanick Davis.

[pappy]

Originally Posted by Thorn

If healthy, both of them are excellent backs quite worthy of starting for the Texans. The problem is they won't stay healthy. The eye for talent is there my friend, it's his prognosticating the future health of his players is off. However, signing Green with a known history of problems was simply a stop gap measure, not a fix.

We are going to have to get a good back in the draft next year.

I do believe he was signed for four years so thats not just a stop gap .

[Trap_Star]

Originally Posted by pappy

So this great and all wonderful coach we now have has for the last two years put his faith on two complete failures . Those two being dominick davies , and ahman green . Both have flopped one completely the other almost so . Does he have it in him to find a running back ever ? Or are we to suffer with backs that cannot get a yard ? What say yea ?

are you "Joe from Pasadena"?

[pappy]

Originally Posted by Tulip

Not drafting Reggie Bush does not equal believing in Domanick Davis.

Why are we bringing this guy up ? We had many more picks besides the number one . Kubiak did support dd all the way up till the day dd told the media he was done .

[pappy]

Originally Posted by whiskeyrbl

What are you talking about???

Whoosh

[Kaiser Toro]

Originally Posted by pappy

I do believe he was signed for four years so thats not just a stop gap .

With a 6 million signing bonus that is easily swallowed over two years should the situation go south. Peanuts really for a cap that goes up incrementally year over year (109m next year) with us estimated to have 30 million to spend next year.

Green is a non issue for the fiscal health of the Texans.

[pappy]

Originally Posted by HJam72

We just have too many needs. We didn't fill any of them when we got Okoye, but who wants to give him up? Thought so.

We don't just need a durable, talented RB.

We also need a talented CB, a durable, talented LT, a ball-hawking FS, and we may even still need a real #2 WR. I know we got AD and JJ, but I suspect they will BOTH turn out to be injury prone. I guess we could have them take turns being injured. Mathis of course is going to sit out if he breaks a nail.

Wide receivers are not a need in this draft we do need a CB and LT but the problem for this coach has been RB .

[pappy]

Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro

With a 6 million signing bonus that is easily swallowed over two years should the situation go south. Peanuts really for a cap that goes up incrementally year over year (109m next year) with us estimated to have 30 million to spend next year.

Green is a non issue for the fiscal health of the Texans.

Great we have cash so where is the beef ? Just cause it looks like a horse and eats like a horse does not mean it will run like one .

[NitroGSXR]

Originally Posted by pappy

Great we have cash so where is the beef ? Just cause it looks like a horse and eats like a horse does not mean it will run like one .

Your analogy reeks. I understand what you're trying to approach but you have to remember that noone can forsee injuries. It's like you're asking the Texans to look in a crystal ball and predict the future.

Ahman Green never was injury-prone. He got injured and it cost him almost a whole season but he is in no way injury-prone. So I don't agree with you on calling out the Texans for signing an injury-prone fellow. Sh*t happens.

Domanick Davis/Williams was beaten down and he had a career ending injury. How does a career ending injury make one to be injury-prone?

I understand what you're trying to say but I do not agree with it one bit.

[Kaiser Toro]

Originally Posted by pappy

Great we have cash so where is the beef ? Just cause it looks like a horse and eats like a horse does not mean it will run like one .

I hope that Smith and Kubiak are not consulting Old McDonald's business plan, for his farm, to build this team, but heck I'll be your huckleberry, tell me more.

[Runner]

Originally Posted by NitroHonda

Your analogy reeks.

It was a mixed metaphor.

[michaelm]

Originally Posted by pappy

So this great and all wonderful coach we now have has for the last two years put his faith on two complete failures . Those two being dominick davies , and ahman green . Both have flopped one completely the other almost so . Does he have it in him to find a running back ever ? Or are we to suffer with backs that cannot get a yard ? What say yea ?

Kubiak inherited Dominick, and had no control over the fact that the team was obligated to his contract in the coach's first year.
The jury is still out on Ahman, but when he's healthy, he is an asset to the team. Virtually every running back will miss the occasional game or two in a season, and Ahman's injury isn't threatening to end his year.

[drewmar74]

Originally Posted by pappy

So this great and all wonderful coach we now have has....

Okay. For starters, Kubiak has shown a lot of promise as a coach but he's also shown some chinks in the armor. He's got this team motivated and is changing a losing culture which is INCREDIBLY hard to do. So said, you can still see holes in some of the playcalling (find me a fan that doesn't have complaints with his/her coach's playcalling) and his clock management will make you scratch your head sometime. So "great and all wonderful?" No. Solid and showing lots of potential for the future? Yes.

Originally Posted by pappy

...for the last two years put his faith on two complete failures .Those two being dominick davies , and ahman green . Both have flopped one completely the other almost so .

Domanick Davis / Williams a failure? Wow. Okay, DW was probably best suited to being a third down back but toted the rock as a number 1 RB for three years and broke down under the load. DW had 3195 rushing yards, 1276 receiving yards, and 28 TD's in his short career. He's still the Texans' all-time leading rusher and most Texans' fans have a soft spot in their heart for the man who, for a time, was the Texans' most potent weapon. Heck, if it hadn't have been for DW catching all of those passes out of the backfield then David Carr would have had his confidence shattered much, much earlier. DW may have left a bad taste in some folks mouth with regards to his knee, but he was in no way a failure. Furthermore, Kubiak was in no way responsible for DW's knee or contract and saying that Kubiak put his faith in him is, in my opinion, inaccurate at best.

Ahman Green was brought in as a short term solution (yes, a stop gap) at running back and his contract is built like many are these days - essentially a 1 or 2 year deal with lots of "funny money" in the back end of it that AG will probably never see. Now, calling a five-time Pro Bowl selection with 8640 rushing yards, 2744 receiving yards, and 69 TD's a failure is laughable. Furthermore, AG is known as being a fantastic pass protector and you will never be able to tell me that was not a huge factor in why he was sought by our GM and HC. He's been nicked up for sure. But he's also been the only back we've had who's had ANY measure of success running the ball. He'll be back again this year and I'm sure that he'll be productive. I'm also sure that he'll miss some more time because he's older for a RB. Does that make the AG signing in the off season a bad one? No. I'd say not. What was a questionable decision was going into the season with only Ron Dayne and Samkon Gado behind him.

Originally Posted by pappy

Does he have it in him to find a running back ever ?

This one to me is the funniest. You make it sound like Kubiak and Smith have been laboring with the RB situation at Houston almost as long as Chicago has been trying to find a QB. Ahhh yes. The 2 years of woefully inadequate RB play. Dude, in case you haven't noticed, they've remedied the woefully inadequate QB play, TE play, OL play, DL play, etc. They had soooo many freakin' HOLES on the roster that they couldn't address all of them immediately. Based on that, I'm willing to give them a pass (albeit a short one) on the RB play. So based on what I've seen out of him and Rick Smith I would be inclined to say "Heck yes, he does have it in him to find a running back." And I don't think it will take forever, either.

Originally Posted by pappy

Or are we to suffer with backs that cannot get a yard ?

Uh... until Ahman comes back or we can draft / sign someone next year the answer is a firm "Maybe." Sometimes Dayne is good for two yards depending on how many D-linemen he bounces off of when he falls.

[pappy]

Originally Posted by NitroHonda

Your analogy reeks. I understand what you're trying to approach but you have to remember that noone can forsee injuries. It's like you're asking the Texans to look in a crystal ball and predict the future.

Ahman Green never was injury-prone. He got injured and it cost him almost a whole season but he is in no way injury-prone. So I don't agree with you on calling out the Texans for signing an injury-prone fellow. Sh*t happens.

Domanick Davis/Williams was beaten down and he had a career ending injury. How does a career ending injury make one to be injury-prone?

I understand what you're trying to say but I do not agree with it one bit.

Any knee injury for a running back is very serious and ahman green had such a injury in greenbay . Once this type of injury occurs it can reoccur with only a quick cut such as Ahman did in the indy game . A man with Kubiaks background should understand that so yes it was a risk by kubiak .

[pappy]

Originally Posted by drewmar74

Okay. For starters, Kubiak has shown a lot of promise as a coach but he's also shown some chinks in the armor. He's got this team motivated and is changing a losing culture which is INCREDIBLY hard to do. So said, you can still see holes in some of the playcalling (find me a fan that doesn't have complaints with his/her coach's playcalling) and his clock management will make you scratch your head sometime. So "great and all wonderful?" No. Solid and showing lots of potential for the future? Yes.



Domanick Davis / Williams a failure? Wow. Okay, DW was probably best suited to being a third down back but toted the rock as a number 1 RB for three years and broke down under the load. DW had 3195 rushing yards, 1276 receiving yards, and 28 TD's in his short career. He's still the Texans' all-time leading rusher and most Texans' fans have a soft spot in their heart for the man who, for a time, was the Texans' most potent weapon. Heck, if it hadn't have been for DW catching all of those passes out of the backfield then David Carr would have had his confidence shattered much, much earlier. DW may have left a bad taste in some folks mouth with regards to his knee, but he was in no way a failure. Furthermore, Kubiak was in no way responsible for DW's knee or contract and saying that Kubiak put his faith in him is, in my opinion, inaccurate at best.

Ahman Green was brought in as a short term solution (yes, a stop gap) at running back and his contract is built like many are these days - essentially a 1 or 2 year deal with lots of "funny money" in the back end of it that AG will probably never see. Now, calling a five-time Pro Bowl selection with 8640 rushing yards, 2744 receiving yards, and 69 TD's a failure is laughable. Furthermore, AG is known as being a fantastic pass protector and you will never be able to tell me that was not a huge factor in why he was sought by our GM and HC. He's been nicked up for sure. But he's also been the only back we've had who's had ANY measure of success running the ball. He'll be back again this year and I'm sure that he'll be productive. I'm also sure that he'll miss some more time because he's older for a RB. Does that make the AG signing in the off season a bad one? No. I'd say not. What was a questionable decision was going into the season with only Ron Dayne and Samkon Gado behind him.



This one to me is the funniest. You make it sound like Kubiak and Smith have been laboring with the RB situation at Houston almost as long as Chicago has been trying to find a QB. Ahhh yes. The 2 years of woefully inadequate RB play. Dude, in case you haven't noticed, they've remedied the woefully inadequate QB play, TE play, OL play, DL play, etc. They had soooo many freakin' HOLES on the roster that they couldn't address all of them immediately. Based on that, I'm willing to give them a pass (albeit a short one) on the RB play. So based on what I've seen out of him and Rick Smith I would be inclined to say "Heck yes, he does have it in him to find a running back." And I don't think it will take forever, either.



Uh... until Ahman comes back or we can draft / sign someone next year the answer is a firm "Maybe." Sometimes Dayne is good for two yards depending on how many D-linemen he bounces off of when he falls.

Is this team motivated ? Seems to me they have lost that motivation ! No one blamed Kubiak for the DW contract or his bad knee it was his trust in DW to tote the rock another year that is the question . Ahman is the solution long or short , bad knee and all and this is the big concern . There are no questions solved here including quaterback as of this writing we are still losers . Dayne is a one yard and a cloud of fat if that .