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View Poll Results: Would 8-8 still make you happy?
Yes, 8-8 is still progress in the right direction! 46 45.10%
No, I know the team is capable of better. 43 42.16%
No, I would never have been happy with 8-8 8 7.84%
We won't win 8 games this year 5 4.90%
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Old 10-01-2007   #1
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Default Would 8-8 still make you happy?

Before the season, the consensus around here was that an 8-8 season would be a sign that the Texans were going in the right direction. With a lot of missing pieces still to fill, it would mean we were close to a contender.

Then we had those first 2 games, and everyone got excited. 10-6 or even better were being thrown out.

Now at 2-2, what record are you expecting?
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Cool Re: Would 8-8 still make you happy?

I stick by my 8-8 call. Got a little excited after week 2, though.
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Default Re: Would 8-8 still make you happy?

I've been calling 8-8 since the pre-season so yeah I'd still be happy with that, but if the injury situation gets any worse 7-9 could be a distinct posability.
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Default Re: Would 8-8 still make you happy?

I voted that the team is capable of being better . . . but, it should this added to it . . .

. . . barring injuries.

Injuries are never, NEVER taken into account when making W-L predictions. Why, because you can't predict them.

The season is only a quarter of the way done, yet our 2-2 record could easily have been 4-0 if we had the same players as we did playing KC.

I predicted 10-6, barring injuries. Now, I'll be very surprised if we go 8-8.

I'm thinking maybe I'm seeing a lot more where Kubes and Smith are coming from when they say we're still a couple of drafts away from being a good football team. We just don't have the depth to absorb the injuries.
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Default Re: Would 8-8 still make you happy?

We are better than 8-8, period. We went into Atlanta thinking we were going to play conservatively and walk out with an easy win, with that mind set even the likes of the Patriots would have been challenged. Three and out on the first drive without a single pass attempt, give me a break. They have too much faith in Ron Dayne. He isn't the worst RB in the league but he is far from a threat. The fact remains that we should have come out gunning to establish the run and the play action and we failed to establish either. If it wasn't for Schaub's superb play and our receivers playing with so much heart, this game could have really gotten ugly.

I question Richard Smith allowing Atlanta to, once again, expose our secondary. I applaud the decision to finally pull Petey for Fletcher but the fact still remains that we are a weak passing defense and rely on QB pressure to get the D off the field. This was the most sacked QB in the league and again we went in allowing only our front 4 to apply the pressure. Our LB core is solid, probably among the best in the league, but they are average in coverage. Again, I applaud the decision to blitz early on, but it should have gotten more aggressive when we realized that regardless of our coverage we were going to have a hard time stopping the passing game.

What I got from this game is that (A) we really need to bring Darius Walker up from the practice squad and give him a few reps during game time situations just to have him ready in the event that Green can't stay healthy (B) we are not aggressive enough with our defensive play calling. We need to play to our strengths and the D-line along with the line backers could make a name for our pass rush.

I am sticking with my original 10-6 prediction because I think we can chalk the Atlanta game up as a learning experience.

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Default Re: Would 8-8 still make you happy?

Yeah. I'd be happy with that.
  • We've had some critical injuries. You just can't lose a starting center, the #1 WR, #3 WR, and your #1 RB and not expect it to show. Especially when some of these injuries are season enders (McKinney) or can linger (Green, Jones).

  • We knew going into the season that FS and CB2 were weak spots. If we know it, then every OC in the league knows it. We can probably expect to continue to get exploited all season.

  • We've seen exactly how thin we are at RB. I was initially optimistic about the Green signing but any time you've got an oldish RB with a gimp knee it's not good. Couple that with Ron "Hunger Pain" Dayne and Dr. Gado and we're probably about as bad off for RB's as just about anyone in the league. Man, I wish we had CT back. I know he suffered from fumbleitis but that can be fixed (Ahman Green, Tiki Barber).

  • We've got a second year HC who is still feeling his way through some of the intricacies of clock management, schemes, and play calling. Maybe the scheme is sound, but I just don't think we have the horses yet to pull some of it off (especially the running game!)

  • Our schedule is a bear. We've got to play Indianapolis twice, Jax twice, Possum Holler twice (and their defense is pretty solid) which ain't an easy row to hoe. The Raiders and Browns used to look like a pushover but they don't look so easy now and they're on the road. Throw in the Bucs and the Broncos for good measure and our schedule is a cast-iron female dog.

So, if you take all of this into consideration, then I will absolutely positively take 8-8. I'd think that 10-6 might be realistic next season after we give Rick Smith and Kubes another offseason to work - especially given we'll actually have some cap space next year.
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We are better than 8-8, period. We went into Atlanta thinking we were going to play conservatively and walk out with an easy win, with that mind set even the likes of the Patriots would have been challenged. Three and out on the first drive without a single pass attempt, give me a break. They have too much faith in Ron Dayne. He isn't the worst RB in the league but he is far from a threat. The fact remains that we should have come out gunning to establish the run and the play action and we failed to establish either. If it wasn't for Schaub's superb play and our receivers playing with so much heart, this game could have really gotten ugly.

I question Richard Smith allowing Atlanta to, once again, expose our secondary. I applaud the decision to finally pull Petey for Fletcher but the fact still remains that we are a weak passing defense and rely on QB pressure to get the D off the field. This was the most sacked QB in the league and again we went in allowing only our front 4 to apply the pressure. Our LB core is solid, probably among the best in the league, but they are average in coverage. Again, I applaud the decision to blitz early on, but it should have gotten more aggressive when we realized that regardless of our coverage we were going to have a hard time stopping the passing game.

What I got from this game is that (A) we really need to bring Darius Walker up from the practice squad and give him a few reps during game time situations just to have him ready in the event that Green can't stay healthy (B) we are not aggressive enough with our defensive play calling. We need to play to our strengths and the D-line along with the line backers could make a name for our pass rush.

I am sticking with my original 10-6 prediction because I think we can chalk the Atlanta game up as a learning experience.

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I can agree with everything except your 10-6 prediction. At this point, if we can go 8-8, we have to call it a successful season. Our oline is STILL a problem. Yes, Schaub makes things better but, he can't block. And we still have question marks in our dline, olb, cb, and safety positions.
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Default Re: Would 8-8 still make you happy?

We can do better than 8-8, but realisticly I'll be happy at 8-8 because that means we are no longer losers.
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Default Re: Would 8-8 still make you happy?

i think i predicted we'd go 7 - 9, so yes, 8 - 8 would be nice.
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Default Re: Would 8-8 still make you happy?

I think I was near 8-8 to 9-7.

The key is getting out of the injury 'prison'!!
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I think if we go 8-8 we underachieved...

So no...I wouldn't be happy with 8-8
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Default Re: Would 8-8 still make you happy?

8-8 would be an improvement based on the injuries we have and it is still early so anything can happen. I was extremely disappointed in Kube's game plan as others have said. We should have blown Atlanta off the field. We have what we have in LT and RB so let's work around these weaknesses. We should have gone more to TEs and Davis (even if to loosen up the D). WHen we went 3 and out first series, I went Oh Oh.

The D line has got to earn its pay to cover deficiencies at DB. Faggins is what he is. One of the penalties looked liked a legal block within 5 yards and I wanted to see a whole lot of that but not with a flag. Bad call imo.
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Default Re: Would 8-8 still make you happy?

i still say no. we were billed to be better and talent wise we are. at the end of last year we had dayne starting at RB, we had a patch work o-line, we had street FA starting at d-line, no green, no jones, no mathis, and we finished the year 3-2 in our last 5.

the big difference is no AJ, but we have an improved d-line with okoye and improved qb with schaub. so i say you still should be better.

we caught a break with the schedule a down KC, a down Carolina, and a down Falcons team, we should be 3-1 no excuses. we were better than ATL hurt or not.
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Default Re: Would 8-8 still make you happy?

If we go 8-8. that means we had to have lost too many games against opponents we should be able to beat (see: Falcons). So no, I will not be satisfied with 8-8. If we were playing a tougher schedule, I'd be happy with 8-8, but not with this one. As it stands, we stil have to play the Dolphins, Browns, Raiders, Bucs, Titans x2, and Jags x2. Those teams will most likely not finish the season with a winning record. If this team is really better than last year, they have to start winning against teams like that. The Titans are a good example, actually. They aren't better than anyone, on paper. Yet they continue to play over their heads. This team has better personnel, IMO, and shouldn't need to play over their heads to win against those kinds of teams.

And that is not even getting into teams like the Broncos, Saints, and Chargers, whom everyone thought would be much better than they are at this point.

In order for this team to go 8-8 (or worse), they'll have to play more games like the one against the Falcons. That will never satisfy me. I can nitpick the loss against the Colts, but the Colts simply outman us at this point. The Falcons game was there for the taking. The team blew it. In order for them to do as poorly as 8-8, they'll have to blow more games like that.
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Default Re: Would 8-8 still make you happy?

I dunno, but it seems every week is the biggest game of the year and this upcoming game with the Dolphins is no exception.
Even with the injuries, this game looks very winnable especially since it's in Reliant. Win it and who knows how we do the following week in Jacksonville, though I'm not so optimistic as to assume we sweep them again. But if we win this week, even with a loss in FLA we'd be 500 when VY & Co. come in 2 weeks from now, and I'd expect us to be at maximine intensity for that game.
Losing this Sunday would truly be a huge setback IMO, and coupled with our offensive guys maybe being out even longer it could doom what started out to be a very promising season.
Win this week we are = or > 500, lose we might be < 500.
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I hate to say it, but I think subconciously the Texans did see their performance against the Colts as a moral victory.
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Default Re: Would 8-8 still make you happy?

I wouldn't be satisfied because look at our schedule...we should go more than 8-8.

I don't know why everyone is down after this one lost, I hope our team isn't thinking the way some of you guys are. Some people came into this game with playoff hopes, now its "Would you be fine with 8-8."

No, I think we can still win 10 games call me a homer but I really do. You look at what we did with Andre and Green in there with Schaub...it is night and day to what happened. Also look at our schedule...who really scares you except the Colts?

No one scares me, I chalked up the Saints as a loss and the Chargers before the season but the Saints are looking like a win now since they are looking so bad unless Reggie actually reaches his potential real quick.

The Chargers still do scare me, they still have tons of talent but their defense isn't doing much and Rivers is looking bad right now and LT is...eh he looks defeated. Now this team can get it together before we play them and that's the point some teams are going to have short losing streaks and some are going win 4 games in a row and then lose the next 3.

I don't know I want 9-7 I think it is realistic looking at our schedule.
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Default Re: Would 8-8 still make you happy?

I selected yes, but should have had the choice "yes, only because of the number of injuries we have had."
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I voted that the team is capable of being better . . . but, it should this added to it . . .

. . . barring injuries.

Injuries are never, NEVER taken into account when making W-L predictions. Why, because you can't predict them.

The season is only a quarter of the way done, yet our 2-2 record could easily have been 4-0 if we had the same players as we did playing KC.

I predicted 10-6, barring injuries. Now, I'll be very surprised if we go 8-8.

I'm thinking maybe I'm seeing a lot more where Kubes and Smith are coming from when they say we're still a couple of drafts away from being a good football team. We just don't have the depth to absorb the injuries.
Can't predict them? Maybe not, but you can account for them. DD was a LOCK to not play 16 games. So was Green. You had to know that our O-Line wasn't going to stay together. I saw a stat the other day something like we have never played the same Oline together in more than 4 consecutive games.

The idea that you can't predict injuries just doesn't make sense. They are not as predictable as say "TDs" but there are certainly players you can count on being injured, especially once they develop a history of it.

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Default Re: Would 8-8 still make you happy?

8-8 would be the best record we've ever had, but I voted No, because this team is capable of a better record.
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