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Old 09-30-2007   #1
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Default Your thoughts on the 2007 Draft picks

Hi guys,

I was wondering what people think of the draft picks made in 2007. Now we're a few weeks in to the season, I thought it would be nice for an early review.

(1) What did you think were the requirements before the draft?
(2) Straight after the draft did you feel those requirements had been met?
(3) How do you rate each of the picks now the season has started?
(4) If you could turn back time, are there any players that could have been picked (i.e were available when it was Oakland's turn to pick), and didn't, that you think would actually have been better for the team?

Looking forward to reading what you think.

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I liked who they picked. No complaints at all.

Now, although I think Amobi will be a stud, if I had it to do over again, I still would have taken Patrick Willis.

Having not one, but two Demeco Ryans' flying around back there would have been downright illegal.
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I think that Willis should have been the pick at 10 as well. Two great LBs would be sick (look at Ravens, Bears, Pats). IMO DTs are a dime a dozen, but Amobi has been great.

The best pick for the team if he had Oakland's pick would have been either CJ or AD
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Hi guys,

I was wondering what people think of the draft picks made in 2007. Now we're a few weeks in to the season, I thought it would be nice for an early review.

(1) What did you think were the requirements before the draft?
(2) Straight after the draft did you feel those requirements had been met?
(3) How do you rate each of the picks now the season has started?
(4) If you could turn back time, are there any players that could have been picked (i.e were available when it was Oakland's turn to pick), and didn't, that you think would actually have been better for the team?

Looking forward to reading what you think.

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First off I thought we would trade with Denver, and I was looking at the guys available in mid round. I wanted Staley and an extra Pick. If we stayed in the 10 hole I was thinking best player available in the first, I had Peterson, Landry, Willis on my list of watching, Okoye was someone I had thought would go to the Vikings, the Redskins or the Falcons. When we passed on Willis and took Okoye, I was stunned. I was thinking Willis is the ROY no doubt in my mind and to have two young stud LBs who could both be MIKE or play outside would be huge. It would give the team options.

In the third I was looking at a few guys and Jones wasn't one of them. I had him as a guys to watch in the 2nd day.

I am assume you are asking which guy I would be taking in the 4th at our traded pick, I was watching LB Zak DeOssie. Michael Bush and Paul Soliai (I knew we would pass on him any way with the OKoye pick) had been taken. i also liked Sepulveda but thought a punter in the 4th was luxury we could not afford yet.

After that I am usually lost except for a couple of sleeper at position I think we needed.

Picks and grade based on draft position (time of draft) and then now.

Okoye (B-thought we would need to wait for his development) A+
Jones (D) A+ - he has exceeded my expectation, and shown more speed than I expected by his 40 time.
Bennett (B+) B+
Harrison (F-we needed a FS not a SS and Josh Gattis was available) C
Frye (C) currently a B, we where able to get him to the practice squad and give him time, I would be trying him at all line position, center included.
Studdard (D) A he has shown me a better understanding of the game and his looked solid in preseason, he could push to be a starter next season
Diles (F-who is this guy?) B. I am still not sure he has the speed to play, but he might be solid.

My cherry picked draft

1) Willis
3 ) Jason Hill Washington St. (and I would have been wrong here, and I admit it)
4) before trade down Zak DeOssie after trade down Tim Shaw or Bennett
5a) Kolby Smith or CJ Gaddis
5B) Michael Coe after trade down
6) Adam Koets
7) Mike Otto if I have taken Smith in 5th, Jackie Battle other wise.

This would have given me a young LB crew for next year of Ryans at Will, Willis at Mike, DeOssie at SAM, I believe this would have been super fine and Willis is good enough to move Ryans. Kolby Smith would given me that guy we needed the last 2 weeks. Koets is like Frye in that I believe he needs a little time but I believe he makes the roster not get dropped to PS. Otto can play every OL position and has an attitude, something we are lacking on our line. They are getting closer, and Studdard my add that in a year or two.


So my team in 2009 would have had an OL of Koets, Pitts, Otto, Spencer, Winston. Making the OL strong makes all the other position on offense better. Having a LB corp second to few, would be able to cover the field. So my team would be an improving team. Smith and Kubiak have made the team stronger faster than my way.
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First, an overall assessment:



(1) What did you think were the requirements before the draft?
Like everyone else, we needed DB and WR help. With us getting someone at QB that had pocket presence, I wasn't really worried about the O-line.

(2) Straight after the draft did you feel those requirements had been met?
I was puzzled - but delighted - by the Okoye pick. We really didn't have a need for another D-lineman but he was the best guy on the board. We have our stud WR but failed to get an impact DB guy.

(3) How do you rate each of the picks now the season has started?
The best pick was our #2 choice - Matt Schaub. I'll always consider that to be our #2 pick; especially since some folks wanted us to get Brady Quinn.

Next is our #3 pick Jones; he's picking up the game a lot faster than I thought he would considering he'd only seen small college competition. Why he isn't starting at the #2 WR spot is a little puzzling.

A millisecond behind Jones is Amobi Okoye. To only be 20 yrs old he's holding his own among grown men out there. Four sacks is remarkable but like some of Mario's sacks, the QB has been chased his way by someone else on our D-line. To his credit, he finishes the play.

In Studdard and Frye I think we have linemen of the future. Like Winston last year, it'll take them a season to mature. If we get Brandon Harrison or Fred Bennett (Dunta's understudy) to bloom into steady players that'll be icing on the cake.

(4) If you could turn back time, are there any players that could have been picked (i.e were available when it was Oakland's turn to pick), and didn't, that you think would actually have been better for the team?
There aren't any youngsters that I would swap for the guys that we have now.

This is two pretty good drafts in a row. Let's hope we have one more. Although I'm not really that impressed with this year's crop of seniors. Last year, there was a talent drop off from '06. Next year there will be an even bigger drop off from '07.
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To say I'm satisfied with Okoye is a giant understatemet. He's done more than about anybody could have possibly expected of him in his rookie year.
Lets face it, this is the kind of rookie year we expected from last years top
pick, and arguably Okoye may be playing better now than that other DLineman who is now in his second year.
Nevertheless, I gotta wonder if taking another DLineman with the top pick was more important than taking the top CB on the Board ? This is where our
weakness obviously is in the defense, it's in the secondary and in particular with Faggins, though we certaily also have issues at FS.
But Smith went with the BPA concept at #10 and not need I suppose, and really it's tough to argue with that approach over the long-term ?
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Hi guys,

I was wondering what people think of the draft picks made in 2007. Now we're a few weeks in to the season, I thought it would be nice for an early review.

(1) What did you think were the requirements before the draft?
(2) Straight after the draft did you feel those requirements had been met?
(3) How do you rate each of the picks now the season has started?
(4) If you could turn back time, are there any players that could have been picked (i.e were available when it was Oakland's turn to pick), and didn't, that you think would actually have been better for the team?

Looking forward to reading what you think.

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i too was delightfully surprised by the okoye pick. that's who i wanted i just figured with the way things were rolling out (ie landry/peterson gone) that willis would be the pick. the jones pick really turned around on me as i was just baffled by it...

okoye- A
schaub- A
jones- A-
bennet- B-
harrison- D-
frye- C
studdard- B+
diles- C
Note: A = doing better than expected, C = doing well as expected, and F = worse than expected.

Okoye - A+

I thought Okoye was a great pick, and he is looking more solid and having a more immediate impact than any other rookie Texans lineman (in its short history).

Schaub - C

He's confident, and he's very capable of getting the ball into receiver's hands. He does this much better than Carr. He also is perfect for the Texans system, which tries to bypass the need for a line with a quick release. When he has needed time, he has tried to force a few balls (to AJ against KC, nearly threw an interception in ATL that was batted down). He also didn't stretch out for the TD this week, but none of this bothers me. This is all part of the learning process, though, and exactly what I expected. Unlike some players who have just raw talent, he clearly has more than that and will do very well for the Texans as time goes on.

Jones - F

I was hoping for a left tackle/defensive tackle/cornerback, which brings up Jones. Why? Receiver was not a concern to me, and its clear after the kind of game that Andre Davis and Kevin Walter had, that receiver was not a concern. Schaub can get the ball in receivers' hands. At this point, I think this was a blown pick and a waste. JJ looked awesome in pre-season, and has not made a dent in Texans history since. He looked blah on special teams and he was not very productive as a receiver. Now he's out. So far, Mathis has done a better job on special teams, and any one of the numerous journeymen receivers have done a decent job.

Instead of Jones, I would have liked for the Texans to have looked into a cornerback or left tackle. I don't have the charts out in front of me, but I know there were options available, and I know these are the two chinks in the Texans armor.

Studdard - C

Has looked awesome on the sidelines, like one of those vikings from Pathfinder. Did anyone else notice that his status has been upgraded? He's no longer in the T-shirt. He's suited up now. Sucks that McKinney had to go IR for that to happen, though...

Edited to add McKinney info.

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Giving Jones an F is laugable. But, am enjoying reading the takes.

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I must have missed something in the first four games. Please explain what great contribution Jones has added to the Texans since the pre-season ended.
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I must have missed something in the first four games. Please explain what great contribution Jones has added to the Texans since the pre-season ended.
Then how is Studdard a B under the methodology above?
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I must have missed something in the first four games. Please explain what great contribution Jones has added to the Texans since the pre-season ended.
Apparently you forgot how he got injured, when he broke a long punt return and brought it back to around the 20. He was also being worked into the rotation at WR, and was about to bring through as a starter. All as a rookie WR from a tiny college playing his first handful of games. Name another 3rd rd WR doing better? Ya, he deserves an F. Get real.
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Then how is Studdard a B under the methodology above?
Good point. Studdard is a C. I had him as a B simply based on the fact that he was actually suiting up for games now. But that unfortunately has more to do with McKinney being IRed than anything he's shown the coaches.
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Apparently you forgot how he got injured, when he broke a long punt return and brought it back to around the 20. He was also being worked into the rotation at WR, and was about to bring through as a starter. All as a rookie WR from a tiny college playing his first handful of games. Name another 3rd rd WR doing better? Ya, he deserves an F. Get real.
So the most notable impact is that he's injured? Okoye leads the team in sacks. To me, that's an impact. Entering the rotation is not.

Also, I'm grading this over the first four games. If JJ comes back and changes things around, I'd adjust my grading accordingly, but over the first four games, he hasn't shown anything.
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So the most notable impact is that he's injured? Okoye leads the team in sacks. To me, that's an impact. Entering the rotation is not.

Also, I'm grading this over the first four games. If JJ comes back and changes things around, I'd adjust my grading accordingly, but over the first four games, he hasn't shown anything.
He has only played 2.5 games. You do realize he is injured through no fault of his own no? You do realize most rookie receivers barely see the field no? Ask kastofnsa how Ginn is doing in Miami. Ask Panther fans how Dwayne Jarrett is doing. Oh that's right, he's been inactive the first four games. Well, he's a bust. Ask the 49ers about Jason Hill. Oh wait, he hasn't seen the field either and was selected right after Jacoby. Guess he's a bust too.

Also, saying he did nothing prior to that either shows a lack of knowledge or a bias on your part as that is simply not true.

He has 5 receptions for 59 yards for an 11.8 average per catch. I don't have his return yardage in front of me, but he almost took one to the house, and was within an eyelash of breaking another td or long one - again keeping in perspective this is all in the youngsters first couple of games. So, to say he has done nothing is irrefetably wrong.
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[quote=Porky;749720]He has only played 2.5 games. You do realize he is injured through no fault of his own no? [quote]

My point exactly. The most significant point of note is that he has been injured. With nothing else to add, that's the grade the dude gets.

[quote=Porky;749720]Also, saying he did nothing prior to that either shows a lack of knowledge or a bias on your part as that is simply not true. [quote]

Lots of players look phenomenal in pre-season. Wali Lundy looked unbelievable during his first pre-season. It's a whole other ball game once the season starts and only the first-team is playing. So to say he is a great player based on those contributions just don't hold water to me. If that makes it a bias, so be it.
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Giving Jones an F is laugable. But, am enjoying reading the takes.

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Yup sure is--as is giving the QB a C after he makes things work with Davis and Walter as starters.

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74 yd punt return?
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I think Revis would have been the best pick although he did struggle for the first time yesterday.....he's a big physical corner with return skills. I'm happy with Okoye and think he is a better pick than Willis since I think it is harder to find a CB and a 3 technique Tackle worth a darn than it is to find a good linebacker.

Jones was an astute pick regardless of what the clueless TH says.....jury is out on everyone else.
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Amobi has overly impressed me. That pick is looking pretty good at this point. 4 sacks 10 tackles at the DT spot is good production. He has also done well, with the line as a whole, in stopping the run. I like the JJ selection, we needed another explosive receiver. Can't really rate any of the other draft picks at this point. Studdard seems to have the right idea by the way he practices...I have heard several good things about how he practices.

Rating Schaub a C is rediculous and its even worse that David Carr was here before him yet some of his fans would still give him a C. Jacoby Jones rated a F as a draft selection is laughable, I agree. Seems like alot of people make dumb comments during the season relative to after the season.
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I think that Willis should have been the pick at 10 as well. Two great LBs would be sick (look at Ravens, Bears, Pats). IMO DTs are a dime a dozen, but Amobi has been great.

The best pick for the team if he had Oakland's pick would have been either CJ or AD
3 tech DT's that can rush the passer and also have Amobi's athleticism are not a dime a dozen.......they are extremely rare, alot rarer than a probowl LBer.

If Amobi Okoye keeps up his play, he has the chance to be the youngest probowler ever.
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