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So draft nicks....who are you seeing out there that you like. I guess the big three are CB, FS and RB. Anyone impressing you so far ?

Particalarly interested in The LT at Old Miss, Micheal Ohr. Think the big kid at LT at alabama has looked very good so far. Be awhile waiting for him thoguh.

I like Ian Johnson a lot. He tends to dance too much. His size and blocking are suspect. But he may be there in the third round because of those negitives. I think he's coachable. He sees a hole, he hits it. He has very quick feet.
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We could see as many as 5 CBs go in the 1st round. It's unlikely, but CB is the 2nd most important position on a football team, so teams will be drafting them high again.

I like Justin King, DeJuan Tribble, & Antoine Cason right now.

Safety is lacking in top talent. Kenny Phillips will go in the 1st round if he declares & Craig Steltz is lookin good for LSU.
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I am hopeful that Spencer will make it back soon enough this season to give coaches an eval of how he is going to do. If he can handle starter in 08 then Salaam should be ok for 1-2 more seasons. I am not a Jordan Black fan. If LT is not an issue, we should still be able to get a good corner in first and a decent FS in 3rd. It remains to be seen how we will do at RB this year. Don't forget that we have been very successful recently with 4th round and later picks.
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this would be a good time for Rick Smith to trade down & pick up extra picks. it would be sweet to have an early 2nd rd. pick & still grab a premier cb on the rise. I really, really like Tracy Porter from Indiana. solid tackler * (which is very important) good speed sub 4.4 * natural intincts in space & reacts/reads well* with excellent cover skills* projected mid-low 2nd rd.

I feel Center is now more of a need for the Texans than tackle (still praying for Charles Spencer). there is one in this draft who fits what the Texans do & would probably start at some point next season, then for the next 10 years & his name is Steve Justice of Wake Forrest watch a game & check him out.

Addressing the RB position via the draft depends entirely on the underclassman that come out early. not much here. I would prefer to go after the Chargers Michael Turner assuming the price comes down or wait til the 08 underclassman declare. I really like C.J. Spiller Clemson & Knowshon Moreno Georgia
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I too like Rivers

I also like Cason from Arizona

And at RB, I still like Jonathon Stewart from Oregeon.
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Ok. Here is a quick break down from YTF. This is my claim to fame, so hopefully this helps.

At CB, there is a lot of talent. Cason is the most talked about, but isn't really the best. He is a late first rounder probably, but his name has been out there similar to Leon Hall's was last year.

My favorite CB's are Aquib Talib from Kansas and Justin King from Penn St.

Talib reminds me and a few other draft guys I talk to of Champ Bailey back at Georgia. He has good size for a CB, and plays offense as well. I think he projects better than the last CB/WR to come out in Gamble. I never really like Gamble, he gave too much cushion and wasn't a standout at either position, just hyped. Talib led the nation in pass breakups last year, and has 2 ints and 4 TD's this year, including a 103 yard int return last week.

FS is pretty thin, with Phillips being the big name. There are some questions surrounding his ability to play FS as opposed to a rangy SS. Regardless, he is the cream of the crop at S.

LT is potentially a good group. I'm not a big fan of Oher at LT, just like I'm not a big fan of Spencer at LT. I think both are better suited for RG in the NFL. Long is my least favorite prospect in the draft right now, as was his former teammate last year for me. Seems to be a Michigan themed tradition of overrated players. Anyways, Long is about the 4th-5th best OT on my board. Baker is a toss up, he has all the physical ability in the world, but he has a lot of questions around him.

Props to the poster who pointed out the Alabama LT already, he isn't able to declare just yet, being only a true Sophomore I believe, but I was on his bandwagon last season, and there are posts in the archives that will document this as well.

BC has a pretty good looking OT as well in Cherilious, but he has some off the field concerns from the past.

RB is potentially the deepest it's been in any draft of the past decade. Everyone knows about McFadden, Slaton, Rice, and Stewart. Some guys floating just below their level of recognizability are some of my favorites in CJ Spiller and Felix Jones. I'm not a big fan of Ian Stewart, but he will probably get drafted early second day because of hype again.
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We only have 1 first round pick, and LB isn't a high priority. Rivers is a talent, but so are the other USC LB's, and a lot of their defense. We need to pick where we have holes, not add a player likely to platoon or be a reserve. We need to improve our main weaknesses such as DB's.
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Craig Steltz

It's hard not to like a player like Craig Steltz unless you're a fan of the opposing team. He's a smart safety who diagnoses plays well and is rarely caught out of position. He makes up for his lack of speed with his awareness. He looks smooth when he's backpedaling and does a good job of turning and flipping his hips on the run without slowing down. He has fantastic hands. Anytime he gets his hands near the ball it's almost a guaranteed interception. He's constantly in the right place at the right time. Even when he's not in position to make the interception he's able to lay a big hit and knock the ball loose. The two major knocks on Steltz are his lack of speed and experience as a starter. Although this is his first year as a starter, he has played a good amount of snaps in past years as the third safety, especially when Jesse Daniels was battling nagging injuries. Remember, it's not like Steltz all of sudden came out of the abyss. He was a four star recruit and one of the top safety prospects out of Louisiana. He was born to play safety and looks very comfortable doing so. With a down year in terms of overall safety prospects I wouldn't be surprised if Steltz is drafted in the late second to early third round range.
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He is probably my pick for FS right now. He is just instinctive. A natural FS. He is under the radar I guess you could say right now, with a 3rd round grade by most places/people. I think he would be a very good pickup for the Texans. Not the biggest or fastest, just a player. Think DeMeco type player at FS.
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We only have 1 first round pick, and LB isn't a high priority. Rivers is a talent, but so are the other USC LB's, and a lot of their defense. We need to pick where we have holes, not add a player likely to platoon or be a reserve. We need to improve our main weaknesses such as DB's.
I think Rivers would start over both Greenwood or Clark.

Alot is going to depend on where we are drafting.
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I think Rivers would start over both Greenwood or Clark.

Alot is going to depend on where we are drafting.
Regardless of wether or not he could start over what we have isn't relevant to me right now. LB is easily one of our deepest and most talented positions. There is no need to draft a position that is not a need right now. As much as we would like to think, we aren't in a position to draft BPA. We need DB help. We need a #1 CB, we need a FS, and we need another WR and RB.
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Regardless of wether or not he could start over what we have isn't relevant to me right now. LB is easily one of our deepest and most talented positions. There is no need to draft a position that is not a need right now. As much as we would like to think, we aren't in a position to draft BPA. We need DB help. We need a #1 CB, we need a FS, and we need another WR and RB.
I disagree, I don't think it's that deep nor that talented at LB. Greenwood and Clark can be upgraded, Orr and Anderson are limited in what they can do, Diles is still a risk to me.

I think you should always draft BPA, with an eye toward need. If it comes to out turn to drfat and Rivers is the top of the board, and there is not much comprable talent, we should draft Rivers. It's alot like the Willis situation from last year, and yes I think Rivers is as good as Willis.
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I disagree, I don't think it's that deep nor that talented at LB. Greenwood and Clark can be upgraded, Orr and Anderson are limited in what they can do, Diles is still a risk to me.

I think you should always draft BPA, with an eye toward need. If it comes to out turn to drfat and Rivers is the top of the board, and there is not much comprable talent, we should draft Rivers. It's alot like the Willis situation from last year, and yes I think Rivers is as good as Willis.

The difference in arguements is that I'm looking at the LB class this year as being the best since I started scouting. Rivers isn't even the consenus best LB on his team. We can pick up a similar LB later in the draft, and can focus more on a need BPA as opposed to a pure BPA. We just aren't in the position you put us in.
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The difference in arguements is that I'm looking at the LB class this year as being the best since I started scouting. Rivers isn't even the consenus best LB on his team. We can pick up a similar LB later in the draft, and can focus more on a need BPA as opposed to a pure BPA. We just aren't in the position you put us in.
It's a difference of opinion, I'm stil not convinced that this team is fully recoverd from the ravages of Casserly.

Or to put it another way, we still need help all over the field. Hopefully a few players can step up and lessen some of those needs (QB (Schaub is essentially still a rookie, games played wise) DT, DE and WR), but other then that I don't think we are in a position to ingore talent at any position.

Look, I'm not saying that we should lock onto LB in the first round; but if a LB is the best available at the time we should pick him. With the way this year's draft is shaping up I don't think that will be the case, but this is one of those topics I love to talk about.
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I get what you are saying, but I guess it is just difference of opinion. This team is not close to being recovered from C&C, but we are working our way there. However, we still have the same two glaring needs we did right before Smith and Kubiak took over. Looking at this particular draft, I see players that we can focus in on at positions of need. I'm not opposed to BPA, just not in the first round in our position. BPA is more of a 3rd round on mentality seen by many rebuilding teams.
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As a Cougar fan, I think Anthony Alridge is exceptionally quick.
He can be used as a scat back or WR, return man for cheap.
Unless he really explodes and get onto the national stage.

Hey, what's wrong with Casserly?
He's responsible for, or at least had a hand in

McKinney, Flanagan, Pitts, Weary, Spencer, Salaam, Winston, Rosenfels, AJ, Mathis, Kris Brown, Mario, TJ, Weaver, Orr, Kalu, Demeco, Greenwood, Dunta, Faggins, Earl, CC Brown, Simmons.

Did I miss anybody or overstate some names???
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I'd like us to take a look at Matt Forte from Tulane if available in the 3rd round or later. He is big, fast, and can catch. His game last week was unbelievable (althought it was against a bad team). 40 carries for 303 yards and 5 touchdowns. He is averaging 6.1 yards per carry for the season and is on pace for over 1700 yards rushing and 20+ TDs (over 2000 all purpose yards for the ESPN fans).
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I'd like us to take a look at Matt Forte from Tulane if available in the 3rd round or later. He is big, fast, and can catch. His game last week was unbelievable (althought it was against a bad team). 40 carries for 303 yards and 5 touchdowns. He is averaging 6.1 yards per carry for the season and is on pace for over 1700 yards rushing and 20+ TDs (over 2000 all purpose yards for the ESPN fans).
That was a great game for Forte.

But he didn't do much against the Bulldogs nor the Cougars.
Let's see what he can do this week against the Tigers.
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If we don't catch a fish in free agency I'd go OL or CB with our 1st rounder.

I'm hoping we sign Alan Faneca and/or Asante Samuel.

Aqib Talib would be my first choice if we get Faneca, Barry Richardson if we get Samuel. And if my prayers are answered and we get both then I'd like to draft Dan Connor, Keith Rivers, or James Laurinaitis.

There seems to be a lot of depth at OL, CB, and RB if a few juniors from each group decide to forgo their senior season.
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That was a great game for Forte.

But he didn't do much against the Bulldogs nor the Cougars.
Let's see what he can do this week against the Tigers.
Don't expect much. It's been hard for him because this is the first time in several years where QB is major weak point and they have completely changed the offense from a spread to west coast.
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