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Old 10-01-2007   #81
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He's a track guy and seems to just want to do track like stuff ie. take the kick off and smoke it up the field and beat everyone to the other end. Probably isn't to interested in getting the snott knocked of him fairly regularly as a WR would. Willing to risk it on the KO as he probably believes he will win most of those reaces. In fact, he probably sees it as a race. Also, track guys won't compete if they are knicked, if they can't go max they just don't go.
That's the way I see it, and it's all well and good as long as the other receivers remain healthy. But what if something happens, like the other receivers go down with injuries, and you're needed to come in and perform. A coach has to be able to count on you, and be there when the time comes.

Maybe some around here are happy that runs back the occasional kickoff for a TD, while doing nothing else, but I'm not.

He could have very well made the difference yesterday. That's what pisses me off.
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I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point.

But at the same time, I do think he is a little soft. I don't think he is as soft as he used to be, but I do think that he doesn't take contact very well.

But as I've said, I don't think he's dogging it.
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That's the way I see it, and it's all well and good as long as the other receivers remain healthy. But what if something happens, like the other receivers go down with injuries, and you're needed to come in and perform. A coach has to be able to count on you, and be there when the time comes.

Maybe some around here are happy that runs back the occasional kickoff for a TD, while doing nothing else, but I'm not.

He could have very well made the difference yesterday. That's what pisses me off.
At least one other person shares my view.
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I know some people are thinking Mathis is the boy who cried wolf, but I think if Kubiak had any doubt about Mathis' commitment - he'd cut him in a second.
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I know some people are thinking Mathis is the boy who cried wolf, but I think if Kubiak had any doubt about Mathis' commitment - he'd cut him in a second.
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I've never played pro football or even college football, but aren't you supposed to be able to "nut up" and play through the pain? I understand there are certain injuries where a player either can't perform at all, or may risk the chance of permanently injuring that particular body part if they take the field. Having said that, what happened to the days of injections for pain? For instance, Mathis was cleared to play IIRC. The MRI came back fine and the staff said he could play. He chose not to see the field, atleast that's what I got out of the pregame info on 610 AM. We have a lot of injuries and it's only a 16 game season. I'd like to see some of the guys take a shot or 10 and see the field in the next series, versus being out for a few games until "they" think they are 100%. I don't think any player is 100% after the first game, much less 1/2 way through the season or going into the playoffs. I may be way out of line on this one, just a little food for thought though. This is not directed to Johnson, mainly towards Mathis. I didn't put this in the Mathis thread, mainly for the fact that I am directing this as a general observation.
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I won't speculate on Mathis' injuries, but I'll say this - these guys live with and play through more pain than most fans can imagine. qand then when they do play through pain, and their performance suffers for it, the fans ***** and moan. I won't call anyone of them out for injury.
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If the staff said Mathis could play, and he was cleared by the medical staff then we have a problem.
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What I'm getting at is: Mathis at 80% > Wynn at 100% returning kick offs.
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If the staff said Mathis could play, and he was cleared by the medical staff then we have a problem.
That's what I heard yesterday on 610. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Borrowed this from Htownsportsfan from the Mathis thread:

"What the hell is the deal with Mathis? Watching inside the game on ABC and Tillman made several comments about Mathis hurting the Texans today. Tillman made reference to Andre Davis coming back after the big hit he took and seemed to be taking a shot at Mathis not playing today. Bob Allen followed up by saying the Texans were not happy about Mathis not playing and that his MRI was clean. Anyone know is there a feeling around the Texans that Mathis could be playing but does not want to play injured?"
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I'm sorry, if the doctors clear Mathis then it's as simple as to TELL him to get out there. If I've got a job, I can't choose to take a day off.

Point is, if the coaches accept him sitting, there's a reason for that. End of speculation.
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No not really the end of speculation. This is the same nonsense that has plagued Mathis throughout his career.

What he needs to realize is that there is a difference between pain and an injury. If he is injured, as is the case with Andre Johnson, don't play. If he is simply in pain, then he needs to get out there. It might be different if he was the only one out, but we desparetely needed him out there given the circumstances, and he goes fetal on us. He's making a heck of a lot more money than most people, and he needs to grow a pair.
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I get the feeling that Mathis won't be a Texan by next year. They didn't like his attitude previously and Kubiak had to read him the riot act in camp this year due to his slacker attitude...now this surfaces....so I bet he isn't here next season.
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If this were another player, I would be more apt to give them the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes, things don't show up on an MRI or an examination, but a player sometimes know that they "aren't right"...

Given Mathis' past act, I say give up on him. I would rather have Wynn back there with a good attitude than someone who can be perceived as a team cancer.

What's Mathis costing us anyway?!?
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If this were another player, I would be more apt to give them the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes, things don't show up on an MRI or an examination, but a player sometimes know that they "aren't right"...

Given Mathis' past act, I say give up on him. I would rather have Wynn back there with a good attitude than someone who can be perceived as a team cancer.

What's Mathis costing us anyway?!?
not much...he was a second day pick and he is on his first contract. The other MRI came back and he didn't have a concussion....but the results did confirm the other problem with Mathis.

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No not really the end of speculation. This is the same nonsense that has plagued Mathis throughout his career.

What he needs to realize is that there is a difference between pain and an injury. If he is injured, as is the case with Andre Johnson, don't play. If he is simply in pain, then he needs to get out there. It might be different if he was the only one out, but we desparetely needed him out there given the circumstances, and he goes fetal on us. He's making a heck of a lot more money than most people, and he needs to grow a pair.
Naw it is past that with Mathis. Let's see how he likes playing in Canada and selling Lady Kenmores next year.
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not much...he was a second day pick and he is on his first contract. The other MRI came back and he didn't have a concussion....but the results did confirm the other problem with Mathis.

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I totally agree with you guys. It's just rough because he is the kind of guy you keep on your team just for his kick returning abilities. But if he is going to continue to do these things (not play because his hammy is sore) then he is a liability to our team. He is somebody we are going to be paying to sit on the bench most of the game except on kick returns, and then sitting out games because something bothers him.
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I dont know. But the way I look at it, Mathis is a speed guy. If his leg hurts, and it hampers his speed, there goes his value. Instead of threatening his career by playing through an injury, he sat a week so he is good to go. At least, thats what I hope. If he is just sitting because he is a wuss, thats a problem.
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