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Old 09-28-2007   #41
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So you are posting that MS will have a 300 yard day
No--just saying he is used to working with "subpar" talent and making it work. He isn't used to having an AJ--that's a luxury not a requirement.

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Hmm interesting. I'll agree that MS...in the pocket, with guys he's worked with befor, given time, is an excellent QB.
Worked with before? Sure some, but Vick certainly got most of the 1st team reps. Schaub has been working with Walter and Davis isn't a street pickup to the team.

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But....not whining here, to expect him to go lights out with out a running game, with out familuar targets, is a bit of a reach.
Wasn't referring to you whining but the kind of QB that would mail it in on the excuse of not having one of his normal starting WR's. You are assuming we will not have a running game (Atlanta has been giving up 144 per game) and IMO overstating how unfamiliar he is with the WR's (he has had a bunch of voluntary extra practice time with the WR's here). In any event, the point isn't he wouldn't go lights out, but he wouldn't as you asserted be handcuffed.
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O.K. 250 ? will you post that MS will have a 250 yard game ? With out the threat of a rush Kubiack's offense is a dead duck. They can't run the passing game with out the rush. And now, and I'm guessing here just by this coaches past desicions, we'll have flannery in the heart of the line where he was befor. I don't see him starting White do you ? And I don't see flannery's legs rested or not being any better than they were last year. Got guys running timing routes with limited targets with the live bullets flying, and you're posting that MS will ride his white horse in and save the day ? Is this correct ? the only thing that will save this game for them is if the d-line pummels the falcon's QB's. And if we're lucky, we'll get 'em all to the side lines. That will make the falcons as one demensional as we will be.
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O.K. 250 ? will you post that MS will have a 250 yard game ?
I don't give a crud about specific numbers Mr. doom and gloom. I've made my point--Schaub is not dead without AJ or even a running game. Ummm, let me remember when this last happened, God it was so long ago--oh yeah, last week--82%, 236 yds, 40 yds rushing.

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With out the threat of a rush Kubiack's offense is a dead duck. They can't run the passing game with out the rush.
Oh, I forgot--the doom and gloom eight ball knows for a certainty they won't be able to rush.

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And I don't see flannery's legs rested or not being any better than they were last year.
Yeah lord knows Flanigan's legs can't be fresh since he hasn't been getting beat up the last three weeks.

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You're the one making extreme predictions about handcuffs. All I am saying is Schaub can still have a good day and play his role.
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I'm not saying MS is not going to go into Atlanta and not give everything he's got. What I'm saying is he has a large load to tote. If they go on the road and blow the Falcons out, then he is an elite QB. But if he doesn't, doesn't mean I want to throw him out with the saturday's night bath water. Need to keep the expectations low this week. This thingy is not a lock. They gotta figure the WR's out. They gotta figgure whether they are going two TE's and bang them and keep it close. They gotta figure how to bottle up the big WRs and the scat back and the TE....just saying they got a lot on their plates this week to figure out.
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I'm not saying MS is not going to go into Atlanta and not give everything he's got. What I'm saying is he has a large load to tote. If they go on the road and blow the Falcons out, then he is an elite QB. But if he doesn't, doesn't mean I want to throw him out with the saturday's night bath water. Need to keep the expectations low this week. This thingy is not a lock. They gotta figure the WR's out. They gotta figgure whether they are going two TE's and bang them and keep it close. They gotta figure how to bottle up the big WRs and the scat back and the TE....just saying they got a lot on their plates this week to figure out.
Umm...ok.

Crazy I say, just crazy.
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Didn't I read in one of the tailgate threads that Haywood Jeffries was hanging out at one of them?? With the way our receivers are going down, it might be time to get someone on board.
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O.K. 250 ? will you post that MS will have a 250 yard game ? With out the threat of a rush Kubiack's offense is a dead duck. They can't run the passing game with out the rush. And now, and I'm guessing here just by this coaches past desicions, we'll have flannery in the heart of the line where he was befor. I don't see him starting White do you ? And I don't see flannery's legs rested or not being any better than they were last year. Got guys running timing routes with limited targets with the live bullets flying, and you're posting that MS will ride his white horse in and save the day ? Is this correct ? the only thing that will save this game for them is if the d-line pummels the falcon's QB's. And if we're lucky, we'll get 'em all to the side lines. That will make the falcons as one demensional as we will be.
Really, what happened LAST week then? We were far from spectacular, but they weren't as abysmal as you're ofereing. Personally, I'd rather the Falcons come in with a win under their belt (less pressure to get Win #1), but you play 'em as they're dealt.

I'm still more worried about our suspect secondary than our Offensive attack.
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I don't give a crud about specific numbers Mr. doom and gloom. I've made my point--Schaub is not dead without AJ or even a running game. Ummm, let me remember when this last happened, God it was so long ago--oh yeah, last week--82%, 236 yds, 40 yds rushing.



Oh, I forgot--the doom and gloom eight ball knows for a certainty they won't be able to rush.



Yeah lord knows Flanigan's legs can't be fresh since he hasn't been getting beat up the last three weeks.




You're the one making extreme predictions about handcuffs. All I am saying is Schaub can still have a good day and play his role.
The only thing extreme is your expecttions of how three young WRs will preform under fire with very few targets between them. I stand on Flannery's past production. That my friend is a fact. His '06 production. only thing extreme is your expectations. I'm certainly not extreme
in projecting the rushing attack will not be there if he can't preform. MS has too many peice missing to expect him to throw us to a victory. If that's what the game plan is we're fresh meat for sure.
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Didn't I read in one of the tailgate threads that Haywood Jeffries was hanging out at one of them?? With the way our receivers are going down, it might be time to get someone on board.
He and Ernest "Electric Slide" Givens will do the trick.
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Umm...ok.

Crazy I say, just crazy.
Well bring a little more than a one line character blast there grass hopper. Put something up and you too can dazzel us ? All you got is BS. I knjow what I know. You ain't got nothing. Go let Collingsworth expailn it to ya short stack.
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Well bring a little more than a one line character blast there grass hopper. Put something up and you too can dazzel us ? All you got is BS. I knjow what I know. You ain't got nothing. Go let Collingsworth expailn it to ya short stack.
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What I figguered there short stack.
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With out the threat of a rush Kubiack's offense is a dead duck. They can't run the passing game with out the rush.
Yeah, last weekend against the Colts was proof of that. Although, I do believe if we could have run the ball against the Colts we very well could have won that game.

Oh, and BTW who is Flannery?
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Yeah, last weekend against the Colts was proof of that. Although, I do believe if we could have run the ball against the Colts we very well could have won that game.

Oh, and BTW who is Flannery?
Flanagan and Chris White's love child.

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I'm thinking that we need to hit Davis early, build a lead and run the hell outta the football the rest of the day.

Let Matt pass with some dink and dunk when need be.
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The only thing extreme is your expecttions of how three young WRs will preform under fire with very few targets between them. I stand on Flannery's past production. That my friend is a fact. His '06 production. only thing extreme is your expectations. I'm certainly not extreme
in projecting the rushing attack will not be there if he can't preform. MS has too many peice missing to expect him to throw us to a victory. If that's what the game plan is we're fresh meat for sure.
I agree with certain facts that you brought up. However, IMO, we have enough weapons to beat a Falcon team that lack depth, especially on both lines. I think MS will have enough time on several occasions to deliver the goods. He doesn't have to be great, just to make good decisions, and stay patient, 'cause the Falcons will run out of steam in the second half, as they've been doing so far, due to lack of depth.

We could use Mathis, but if he can't go, I think we will probably bring in another guy (maybe Keenan). Dexter Wynn was solid for us last year in the return game, we should be OK.

We don't have Green (well, we didn't have him last year), but I'm quite confident that we can run at Babineaux and Anderson.
We might not even have to run that much, since we've been utilizing our backs out of the backfield a lot.
And the TEs too. We can compensate for the loss of AJ and Jacoby with these guys more involved. I mentioned in one post that Putzier and Owens line up as outside receivers on certain play, and sometimes Sherman even runs a 3-TE set.

I fully expect us to win this game, with defense if need be.
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http://www.houstontexans.com/news/St...?story_id=3704

(on the injury report) “The only questions for our team, I would say, are going to be (RB) Ahman (Green) and (WR) Jerome (Mathis). The bottom line is those guys have not practices so it does not look good for either one of them, but they will be game time decisions. I would think that right now, Ahman would have more of a chance of possible playing then Jerome Mathis.”

Expect no Mathis.
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in projecting the rushing attack will not be there if he can't preform. MS has too many peice missing to expect him to throw us to a victory. If that's what the game plan is we're fresh meat for sure.
Count me in your corner on this one, Pete.

I know what you're really worried about. You're worried that if we do lose to the Falcons, people will mysteriously forget about all the injuries, and the lack of pieces, the suspect secondary, and all that . . .

. . . and instead, they'll just throw all the blame at Schaub, right?

Sad to say this, but I think you have good reason to worry.
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Man, I hope Mathis is ready to go week 5!
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