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Old 09-24-2007   #21
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perhaps, and I understand the logic behind it but you are at midfield and have nearly 2 mins left....I thought we threw away a possession there myself.
I agree we threw away that possession. I just think we did it by failing to get a 1st down after being 2nd and 2. That's critical execution time for the players. There wouldn't have been any slow down if they had picked up the 2 yards instead of being stuffed on 2nd down.
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you said you didn't see why people come here and pick apart the decisions made on game day....I just answered why. I was just thinking that if you want to find a nice site that only sings praise to the Texans perhaps you should start a pep rally site like the TOMB.
No where in my posting does it state that....it points out the futility of doing so And good idea on a site, but I don't have your patience nor the time to mess with all the negative posters. You can only ban so many people Vinny
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We are not the "same ol' Texans".
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I'm going to be polite for a change, and just say that I find the overall tone of this thread to be a little bit unreasonable.

It's one thing to second guess a coach's playcalling, given the environment where you're playing without most of your key players, and you still hold the Colts to less than a touchdown.

But to call him a wimp, or compare him to Capers is downright classless, not to mention clueless.

Sadly, I've come to expect that this type of BS will continue whenever they lose.
I'm glad that you disagree. Disagreement leads to good discussion. Regardless, I stand by my judgment of the play-calling and clock management at halftime. If we'd been bold and scored before halftime, even a field goal, that sets a completely different tone.

You call me classless for saying that his Kubiak's play-calling was mincing and fraidy-cat. Well, as a fan, it's my right to comment on things that I disagree with. Or do you think that Kubiak didn't make any mistakes against the Colts?

Of course people are going to complain when we lose. People complain when the Patriots lose. People complain when the Colts lose. So what? I'm not calling for the guy's job,
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So you think it's justifiable to call this coach and front office Capers and Casserly? What's that got to do with a pep rally Vinny?
It's called fickleness FTF it's the first trait of a "can't let go of the past Texans fan."

It's funny. From 9/17 to 9/22 everyone was aboard the hype machine. I think there was a competition to see who could post the most positive press links.

So yesterday the team (including coaches) had a bad game and the Texans lost and now Kubiak is being compared to the C&C era? What a difference 48 hours makes.

Look I'm not faulting anyone for commenting and complaining about the game plan, play calling, defensive secondary performance, Kubiak's attire, cheerleader outfits, BBQ sauce flavor @ Bum's Smokehouse or whatever.

I just think saying Kubiak is similar to Capers in his play calling based on one game is not only silly but down right asinine. I'm pretty sure that any game plan he was following got filed in the trash can once the players starting going to the triage ward. He was trying to play cards in his hand and he misplayed a few. It happens.

Criticize if you want, but please cut the drama queen act.
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We all have a right to criticize anything we please. But what does that get us? I don't own the team, I'm not the general manager, so basically I'm a fan on a message board who's opinion doesn't mean squat. I understand the pessimism, it's warranted considering all the pain we've been through for the last five years. But lets get a grip on reality. I don't think comparisons of this coaching staff and front office to the past group of doofus's is justified. But hey, like you, it's only my opinion...it don't mean squat
No pessimism, here. I was happy with the effort the guys showed. I'm proud of the game they played. There were three or four things that nagged at me, that's all.
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Despite poor clock management, we gave them the ball with 3+ minutes and 2 timeouts left. We get a trhee and out, we have a chance to win and not give Peyton a chance to drive.
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It's called fickleness FTF it's the first trait of a "can't let go of the past Texans fan."

It's funny. From 9/17 to 9/22 everyone was aboard the hype machine. I think there was a competition to see who could post the most positive press links.

So yesterday the team (including coaches) had a bad game and the Texans lost and now Kubiak is being compared to the C&C era? What a difference 48 hours makes.

Look I'm not faulting anyone for commenting and complaining about the game plan, play calling, defensive secondary performance, Kubiak's attire, cheerleader outfits, BBQ sauce flavor @ Bum's Smokehouse or whatever.

I just think saying Kubiak is similar to Capers in his play calling based on one game is not only silly but down right asinine. I'm pretty sure that any game plan he was following got filed in the trash can once the players starting going to the triage ward. He was trying to play cards in his hand and he misplayed a few. It happens.

Criticize if you want, but please cut the drama queen act.
Exactly! I understand the right to criticize and second-guess.

But if you're going to constantly bring up Carr every time Schaub makes a mistake, or bring in Capers every time you question a move that Kubiak makes, or bring them back any time the team loses, no matter what the reason .... that's just dumb.

Just use some original thinking, and critique the current players and coaches on their own merits, for Pete's sake.
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Despite poor clock management, we gave them the ball with 3+ minutes and 2 timeouts left. We get a trhee and out, we have a chance to win and not give Peyton a chance to drive.
I agree. The possession before halftime was questionable. After hearing Kubiak explain the situation several times, I partially agree with what he tried to do. He wanted to run the ball on 2nd down to achieve the first down. Normally I would agree with this because you're keeping the clock running while driving for the final score of the half. Leaving no time on the clock for Manning. BUT, relying on Cook to get the first down is kind of questionable.

The possession at the end of the game was the correct thing to do IMO. If the D holds the Colts to a 3 and out, we get the ball back. How many other teams in the league would've thrown the ball on 2nd and 9 at their own 28 with 2:41 on the clock? Well, I guess when you've got Petey giving Harrison a 15 yard cushion, I'd throw it too.
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If the D holds the Colts to a 3 and out, we get the ball back. How many other teams in the league would've thrown the ball on 2nd and 9 at their own 28 with 2:41 on the clock? Well, I guess when you've got Petey giving Harrison a 15 yard cushion, I'd throw it too.
Something being lost in the cries of cowardice is the confidence Kubiak placed in his D by not onside kicking--confidence to stop one of the top 2 QB's in the league on one of the top O's in the league. That took some stones rather than cowardice. Plus, it's better to nut up (and in so doing show confidence in the D) rather than rely on luck.

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As for me, I can't speak for anyone else. I just call it like I see it. If something I see reminds me of an earlier player or coach, I will say so. In that game, Kubiak reminded me of Capers. So be it. I'm not saying that his whole regime is like that, simply saying that game reminded me of the chicken little crap I thought we got rid of when we cleaned house. I also have had many positive things to say about Kubiak overall. I think he was, and is the right choice and has done a great job so far. But when I see something I don't agree with, I'll comment. He isn't beyond critism.

My manager at my job really likes me, and comments frequently on the job I am doing. But guess what, I screwed up last Tuesday, and I got my butt chewed out. I didn't have a good day, and I deserved that critism. Just because I am viewed favorably overall doesn't mean I am immune from critique.

If it's a cheerleader you want, go elsewhere. To me, this site is all about real anaylsis and critique, whether that be the good, the bad, or the ugly. I maintain that on Sunday, Kubiak had not just a so-so day, but a truly very poor day of in-game decision making. So sue me.
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Something being lost in the cries of cowardice is the confidence Kubiak placed in his D by not onside kicking--confidence to stop one of the top 2 QB's in the league on one of the top O's in the league. That took some stones rather than cowardice. Better to nut up rather than rely on luck.



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I agree. It shows just how far this team has really come.

Do you think Kubes would have made the same decision last year? Gutsy call.

It just didn't work and now he is being called out for it.
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He's not really explicit about it, but with all the injuries and who was available, I am guessing the quick play calling isn't easy to do with the personnel changes. He's not going to make excuses, but I am guessing that is what happened.

We were going as fast as we could? You don't honestly buy that excuse do you? They huddled up, and never even ran a hurry up offense. Come on Gary. Admit you screwed up, take it like a man, learn from it, and move on. But to say they were going as fast as they could insults my intelligence. Does he think this is a city full of ignorant imbeciles?
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Something being lost in the cries of cowardice is the confidence Kubiak placed in his D by not onside kicking--confidence to stop one of the top 2 QB's in the league on one of the top O's in the league. That took some stones rather than cowardice. Plus, it's better to nut up (and in so doing show confidence in the D) rather than rely on luck.



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I totally agree with the choice he made. IIRC, the last 4 possessions for the Colts were punt, FG, FG, punt. So our D was looking pretty good late in the game.

It also took some stones for Manning to basically put the game away with the 2nd and 9 pass.

I truely believe we score if the D holds them to 3 and out. Arrgh!
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I totally agree with the choice he made. IIRC, the last 4 possessions for the Colts were punt, FG, FG, punt. So our D was looking pretty good late in the game.

It also took some stones for Manning to basically put the game away with the 2nd and 9 pass.

I truely believe we score if the D holds them to 3 and out. Arrgh!
How many of those possessions were 3 and out?
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Maybe Kubiak was going about it the best way he knew how, considering the resources he had.

It's easy to say go for a big play, but when the defense is expecting it and your two 'biggest play' recievers are MIA, it's kinda hard.

The Colts defense is built to be effective against big plays. They want to jump out ahead and make you have to pass deep so they can send Freeney and Mathis off the end and cause mistakes.

Kubes stayed with the game plan, and tried to give his team it's best shot. Sometimes you just have to play consistent and keep doing the things that are working and hope things go your way. We were clearly the lesser talented team, but I think Kubes put us in a situation that gave us our best shot considering what he had to work with.
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We start out by winning our first two games of the year, and then lose to the best team in the NFL by 6 points with some of our best offensive talent injured.

No, this is not the same old Texans. It is indeed a new team with a new outlook on football and I can't wait to see us beat the crap out of Atlanta this coming weekend.

At which point we'll be 3-1. Count on it.
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that was like good cop bad cop.
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How many of those possessions were 3 and out?
One in the third. The one where JJ was injured on the PR.

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1-10-IND 26 (6:14) 29-J.Addai right guard to IND 29 for 3 yards (56-M.Greenwood).
2-7-IND 29 (5:43) 18-P.Manning pass incomplete short left to 87-R.Wayne (23-D.Robinson).
3-7-IND 29 (5:33) (Shotgun) 18-P.Manning pass incomplete short right to 44-D.Clark.
4-7-IND 29 (5:26) 17-H.Smith punts 63 yards to HOU 8, Center-48-J.Snow. 12-J.Jones ran ob at IND 18 for 74 yards (17-H.Smith). (Punt hang time 3.8 seconds.) HOU's 12 Jones injured on the return and taken for x-rays.
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No pessimism, here. I was happy with the effort the guys showed. I'm proud of the game they played. There were three or four things that nagged at me, that's all.
And we'd agree on those same things. I'm not going to defend what I felt was a blown opportunity before the end of the 1st half. My issue was the comparison to the former group of mullets we had at Coach and in the FO. I don't even know if you made the comment now...that was yesterday and I'm trying to remember what I had for breakfast
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