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Old 09-24-2007   #1
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We debate the topic in the Houston Press.

John Royal's take:

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/ballz/...the_stands.php

and my rebuttal:

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/ballz/...n_friedman.php

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We debate the topic in the Houston Press.

John Royal's take:

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/ballz/...the_stands.php

and my rebuttal:

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/ballz/...n_friedman.php

as always, feel free to let us hear your honest thoughts, opinions and criticisms.

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My thinking is that the one was too critical and the other was too positive but I'm sure that's all for effect.

My thoughts are these: Gary Kubiak called an okay game but:
1) challenging that interception was moronic. What team that's behind doesn't need its timeouts?
2) how do you go for the gutless wimp approach and run the clock out WHEN YOU START ON YOUR OWN 40?
3) what in the world was with the lackadaisical sauntering 7+ minute drive? I mean, take what the defense gives you but HURRY UP about it.

Kubiak was right to take some of the blame but it didn't seem that he was addressing the things I think he's really responsible for. Which either means that he's evading his true responsibility or I have no idea what I'm talking about. You be the judge.
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agree with all of your points. There's no question the Texans played a far less than stellar game; and the same holds true for the coaching staff as well.

That being said, it's all the more remarkable that the Texans even had a chance to pull that game out. They played poorly at times, coached poorly at times, suffered significant injuries and still had a shot.

To me, that's a clear indication that, slowly but surely, the ship is headed in the right direction.
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I agree that the Texans look way better than they ever have, even in losing (except the 7-9 season against the Patriots - that was the best loss I ever saw, or the least bad anyway). I just think that we let one get away from us that we could have had and I'm finding it hard to think good things about Kubiak when he wimps out. Can't handle that.
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no doubt. I suspect all Texans fans are still (understandably) uber-sensitive to wimpy play calling after suffering through the Capers era.
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My thinking is that the one was too critical and the other was too positive but I'm sure that's all for effect.

My thoughts are these: Gary Kubiak called an okay game but:
1) challenging that interception was moronic. What team that's behind doesn't need its timeouts?
2) how do you go for the gutless wimp approach and run the clock out WHEN YOU START ON YOUR OWN 40?
3) what in the world was with the lackadaisical sauntering 7+ minute drive? I mean, take what the defense gives you but HURRY UP about it.

Kubiak was right to take some of the blame but it didn't seem that he was addressing the things I think he's really responsible for. Which either means that he's evading his true responsibility or I have no idea what I'm talking about. You be the judge.
Totally agree with your points. Kubiak's clock management was awful. Challenging on that interception reeked of a desperation move which had about a 1% chance of being overturned. They also were way too lackadiascal on the last TD drive they had. If they were going to milk the clock that way, then the best approach would have been an onsides kick.

In short, lots of coaching issues yesterday, more than at any time in the Kubiak era. Sort of reminded me of the Capers clueless era. Enough of that crap already. I just hope he learns from it, because it was truly a bad day for Kubes, worst of his young administration, and he has to get much, much better than that crapola.
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Just don't forget that many offensive weapons went down. There are probably some significant challenges to play calling when you get into the situation we were in, and we were able to score. That in itself is impressive. If we had hurried things more, scoring would have been much less likely in my opinion.
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I have to admit that I was sitting on my couch, thinking that Dom had somehow wrassled control of the playcalling throughout the whole game:

1. HB dives that went nowhere
2. Bad clock management and overly-conservative playcalling
3. Dunta doing all the "heavy lifting" on defense
4. Challenging the call when the timeout was needed more
5. The big desperation pass to Andre Davis ala David and AJ

Kubiak went for it on fourth down, which Dom would have punted. So I give him props for going for it.

Other than that, I can honestly say that the whole game from start to finish appeared to be disjointed and "in a fog" for our team.

Having said that, I think we win the next two games and end up 4-1...which is actually a pretty nice thought after what we've been through for the past five years with this team. Therefore, losing this game to the Colts is going to sting a lot less in about two weeks.

My major concern right now is Andre Johnson and Ahman Green. AJ can recover, IMO, but I am very very very worried that Ahman is a tweak away from being done. And it won't be pretty (for us) if that is the case.

(Sigh) we have had toooo many holes to fill, it's like swiss cheese--We need a running back more than ever, IMO. The old "Plug a 4th round running back into the Denver system" theory is retarded. Think what Marshawn Lynch or someone like him, a guy who is like him and will be available in the mid-first round next April, will do on this team.

Any wagers on if Ahman is serviceable after this year? I'd say "No" right now, as it stands. Our backfield is in serious danger, IMO. And without a backfield of "some" significance, we're doomed. Ahman provides that un-teachable talent, the one that made him pause for a split-second and score the rushing TD last week when other backs would have had less patience and just run right into the line and perhaps pick up 2-3 yards.

We have our QB. I like our WRs, TEs, and FBs. And our Oline and Dline is only a minor move or two from being really good. Our LBs are fairly solid.

But it's pretty obvious that the Dbacks and Rbacks need a lot of early attention in the draft for perhaps the next 2-3 years.
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I'm going to be polite for a change, and just say that I find the overall tone of this thread to be a little bit unreasonable.

It's one thing to second guess a coach's playcalling, given the environment where you're playing without most of your key players, and you still hold the Colts to less than a touchdown.

But to call him a wimp, or compare him to Capers is downright classless, not to mention clueless.

Sadly, I've come to expect that this type of BS will continue whenever they lose.
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Please give it a rest. You are expecting a Superbowl team in two years. They have come a long way in a short amount of time. When you compare Bill Belecek and how long it took him, and you look at what Kubiak and staff have done in just two, The Texans are way ahead of the game.
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I'm going to be polite for a change, and just say that I find the overall tone of this thread to be a little bit unreasonable.

It's one thing to second guess a coach's playcalling, given the environment where you're playing without most of your key players, and you still hold the Colts to less than a touchdown.

But to call him a wimp, or compare him to Capers is downright classless, not to mention clueless.

Sadly, I've come to expect that this type of BS will continue whenever they lose.
Critiquing the coaching staff is perfectly reasonable. Since when did Kubiak become beyond reproach or second guessing? Furthermore, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and has web toes, it's probably a duck.
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Critiquing the coaching staff is perfectly reasonable. Since when did Kubiak become beyond reproach or second guessing? Furthermore, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and has web toes, it's probably a duck.
Here is something interesting. Dungy's record when he was starting out until now. My point? This is Kube's second year as a head coach people. I'm not trying to defend his game plan yesterday. Just trying to add a little perspective. So he had a bad game yesterday. It happens. I think he learned a few lessons yesterday from the way he talked on 610 today. The game yesterday equals 1/16th of a NFL football season. Losing a game like that does hurt, but it's not the end of the world.

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2) how do you go for the gutless wimp approach and run the clock out WHEN YOU START ON YOUR OWN 40?
That was savvy not gutless. Make it on 2nd down and 2--go for the throat. Staring at 3rd down and 3 you burn some time so you don't punt to Manning with 1:15 and three time outs so he goes for the throat. Make the first down with 40 seconds left was plenty of time to take several shots and not worry about giving the ball to Manning.
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That was savvy not gutless. Make it on 2nd down and 2--go for the throat. Staring at 3rd down and 3 you burn some time so you don't punt to Manning with 1:15 and three time outs so he goes for the throat. Make the first down with 40 seconds left was plenty of time to take several shots and not worry about giving the ball to Manning.
perhaps, and I understand the logic behind it but you are at midfield and have nearly 2 mins left....I thought we threw away a possession there myself.
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We all have a right to criticize anything we please. But what does that get us? I don't own the team, I'm not the general manager, so basically I'm a fan on a message board who's opinion doesn't mean squat. I understand the pessimism, it's warranted considering all the pain we've been through for the last five years. But lets get a grip on reality. I don't think comparisons of this coaching staff and front office to the past group of doofus's is justified. But hey, like you, it's only my opinion...it don't mean squat
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We all have a right to criticize anything we please. But what does that get us? I don't own the team, I'm not the general manager, so basically I'm a fan on a message board who's opinion doesn't mean squat. I understand the pessimism, it's warranted considering all the pain we've been through for the last five years. But lets get a grip on reality. I don't think comparisons of this coaching staff and front office to the past group of doofus's is justified. But hey, like you, it's only my opinion...it don't mean squat
well, some of us get to understand the game better when various people give opinions from various points of view...I really don't come here to find a pep rally myself.
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So you think it's justifiable to call this coach and front office Capers and Casserly? What's that got to do with a pep rally Vinny?
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Totally agree with your points. Kubiak's clock management was awful. Challenging on that interception reeked of a desperation move which had about a 1% chance of being overturned. They also were way too lackadiascal on the last TD drive they had. If they were going to milk the clock that way, then the best approach would have been an onsides kick.

In short, lots of coaching issues yesterday, more than at any time in the Kubiak era. Sort of reminded me of the Capers clueless era. Enough of that crap already. I just hope he learns from it, because it was truly a bad day for Kubes, worst of his young administration, and he has to get much, much better than that crapola.
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He's not really explicit about it, but with all the injuries and who was available, I am guessing the quick play calling isn't easy to do with the personnel changes. He's not going to make excuses, but I am guessing that is what happened.
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So you think it's justifiable to call this coach and front office Capers and Casserly? What's that got to do with a pep rally Vinny?
you said you didn't see why people come here and pick apart the decisions made on game day....I just answered why. I was just thinking that if you want to find a nice site that only sings praise to the Texans perhaps you should start a pep rally site like the TOMB.
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