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Old 09-25-2007   #81
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My complaint is that the #2 corner position has been a glaring weakness in our secondary since last season and we made no attempt at upgrading it this past off-season.
Easy to say but harder to do. Who were you going to get that is better than Faggins?

Nate Clements--not enough cap space.
Jason David--aka Manning's punching bag the other night far worse than Faggins was.
Nick Harper--a 33 year old who the Colts have been trying to replace for years.

They took a CB in the 4th. The only way they could have done more in the draft is give up Okoye or Jacoby.
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I dunno...

I think considering all the areas we were weak at, Kubes an CO. did a good job at making the roster competitive.

You can't fill every position with top notched players in one off-season.
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I dunno...

I think considering all the areas we were weak at, Kubes an CO. did a good job at making the roster competitive.

You can't fill every position with top notched players in one off-season.
I agree. Especially with the limited amount of cap we had. I would assume there will be soime jack to throw around in the off-season.

Anywho, I'm still enjoying the season at hand with the players we presently have on our roster. I'll think about the possible off-season additions....in the off-season.
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I'm not bashing Faggins just on his performance against Indy........this goes back to last week and the fact that our coaches have to tell him to give cushions like that.
You be sure to watch the Colts and Bronco's next week and pay special attention to how Champ Bailey or Dre Bly line up when they are matched up with Harrison. Those are two of the NFL's best and they will give Harrison that same 5-7 yards .


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but what were the situations of the catches? i seem to remember a lot of 3 and __ were it was pretty clear that manning had harrison run to the first down and turn.

Three of Harrisons 6 catches were on 3rd down according to the game logs on NFL.com.



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I agree. Especially with the limited amount of cap we had. I would assume there will be some jack to throw around in the off-season.
Anywho, I'm still enjoying the season at hand with the players we presently have on our roster. I'll think about the possible off-season additions....in the off-season.
They should be well under the cap for the next FA period as several contracts come off the books including David Carr's extention , Garry Walker , Bennie Joppru , Zach Wiegert , Seth Wand and Domanick Davis errr Williams to list a few .
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They should be well under the cap for the next FA period as several contracts come off the books including David Carr's extention , Garry Walker , Bennie Joppru , Zach Wiegert , Seth Wand and Domanick Davis errr Williams to list a few .
Music to my ears--even if I did already know it.
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Here's a good link for this discussion.
http://www.houstonprofootball.com/scout/scout150.html
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I will not knock Petey for his performance, after-all, he is a 6th round pick as well as a nickelback.

My complaint is that the #2 corner position has been a glaring weakness in our secondary since last season and we made no attempt at upgrading it this past off-season. The weakness in the position has, once again, become glaring and something must be done.

We drafted Bennett and signed Jamar Fletcher. I'm not sure what your idea of "no attempt" is, but I think a lot was done to improve the CB play this off-season, especially considering the cap hell we were in.
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We drafted Bennett and signed Jamar Fletcher. I'm not sure what your idea of "no attempt" is, but I think a lot was done to improve the CB play this off-season, especially considering the cap hell we were in.
If alot was done to "improve our corner back play" then why is the same old tired nickel corner still starting at #2? Not much improvement, just more weight on the pine. Please explain this improvement that I have blindly failed to see...
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If alot was done to "improve our corner back play" then why is the same old tired nickel corner still starting at #2? Not much improvement, just more weight on the pine. Please explain this improvement that I have blindly failed to see...
once again, we drafted Bennett with our 3rd pick (after Okoye and J.Jones... who would you not want right now) and signed Jamar Fletcher...

This off-season we had no money and got a QB, RB, OL depth, re-signed Andre Johnson, DT, LB help, WR help.

What would you've done differently? I'd say spending a middle round pick and getting an ex 1st round CB via FA is doing something!
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once again, we drafted Bennett with our 3rd pick (after Okoye and J.Jones... who would you not want right now) and signed Jamar Fletcher...

This off-season we had no money and got a QB, RB, OL depth, re-signed Andre Johnson, DT, LB help, WR help.

What would you've done differently? I'd say spending a middle round pick and getting an ex 1st round CB via FA is doing something!


Yet again the players brought in couldnt beat Peety out . The coaches keep running Peety out there to cover the likes of Steve Smith and Marvin Harrison ..... there has to be a reason for their decision . Could it be that Peety gives them the best chance to win now ? No No ..... those coaches must be idiots.
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If alot was done to "improve our corner back play" then why is the same old tired nickel corner still starting at #2? Not much improvement, just more weight on the pine. Please explain this improvement that I have blindly failed to see...
Once again you dodge the question. It isn't enough to just say they should have done more--say specifically what should have been done.
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Once again you dodge the question. It isn't enough to just say they should have done more--say specifically what should have been done.
I have always hated arguements where someone blast what you have done but wont say what they would have done differently .................




This is exactly what espin does every year at draft time and right before training camp starts.

Thanks Mel Kiper jr for your insight.

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Unfortunately I work for a living and can not hover over my posts while on the clock. So I apologize that you all have been so impatiently awaiting my response (I almost feel special ).

I never suggested that we could have made a better move in the off season, I merely pointed out that what we did do obviously was not an improvement.

And my suggestion that we made no attempt at fixing the #2 cb spot was, admittedly, out of line. Our 4th round pick and our acquired former first rounder that has never lived up to his potential were, technically, attempts.

As for what I would do, move him around in the secondary so that the same spot on the field isn't exposed every single down.
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Um, the game plan was to make them drive for everything, and we did make them drive. They earned their points and thats how it goes. Think about the same gameplan with our freakin offensive options 1-4? If we arent on option 5 by the start of the 4th quarter, its a different game. So, with "crappy" Faggins, we still had a shot. Not all him. Point at the Safties first, thats the weakness.
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As for what I would do, move him around in the secondary so that the same spot on the field isn't exposed every single down.
Most teams no longer have CB's play WR's but instead have them play sides. Supposedly this is to not divulge the coverage and not allow the O to manipulate the D through motion. I agree though that something has to be done to not allow the O to consistently choose to put their #1 WR against our #2 CB.
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I never suggested that we could have made a better move in the off season, I merely pointed out that what we did do obviously was not an improvement.

And my suggestion that we made no attempt at fixing the #2 cb spot was, admittedly, out of line. Our 4th round pick and our acquired former first rounder that has never lived up to his potential were, technically, attempts.

As for what I would do, move him around in the secondary so that the same spot on the field isn't exposed every single down.
Maybe our #2 CB problem isn't as bad as you(and many others) think it is.

Now let's think about this for a minute.

One of the greatest of all time(Marvin Harris) held to 53 yards. That is not a good day for any receiver. Imagine that was T.O. or Chad Johnson.

No TDs... again, imagine that was Terrell Owens.. even with the win, do you think he'd be happy?? I doubt it.

Now maybe you saw a lot of catches being made, and Petey being the first one to make the tackle, or at least he was in the Vicinity.

Dallas Clark, & Anthony Gonzales were upsetting me more than anything. Our LBs bit on the Play-Action like our safeties used to. Was Bulware playing safety or LB?? Because he got beat by Clark on the line for the Colts first TD(made it look stupid easy).

& Reggie Wayne had 4 catches for 84 yards, and a touchdown. Was that Faggins as well?? I remember seeing Dunta eating a little dirt as Reggie ran past him.

But I don't mind getting beat ever now and again by one of the best WR duo in the league today(Chad and Houshmanzadah is the other duo). But to let Clark, Gonzales, & Addai beat us is unacceptable in my book.

Our LBs need to get better at reading run/pass, and they can't cover worth a $@#t.


Petey played well against Carolina... yes he did. Sure Steve Smith scored twice on him. But not because Petey got burnt. Because Smith got lucky. & they were down by three scores when Smith made his 3rd TD, and our entire secondary got burned.

But the rest of that game, Delhomme had a hard time finding anyone to throw the ball to.

And Damon Huard struggled with it as well.

I predict we will continue to struggle with teams that have a strong intermediate passing game. Most of your West Coast teams. and teams that want to stretch the field, and play vertical will have a hard time with us. Dallas, Carolina, KC.

Because our LBs can't cover.
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Just my .02.

I didn't think this was a playoff year to start. I might be changing that. But if I have to chose between a wildcard and out year vs an 8-9 win season and developing a CB2. I'll take the CB2 and even higher expectations next year. Hell, if you have to... rotate CB2. Either way... at least there isn't much film showing oppsing coaches what Bennet's weaknesses are. Faggins lack of ability is documented over a 4 year period. He's a nickleback.. and that's not a knock on him. He's overachieving as a 6th round pick. I have no doubt he puts in work.. you have to if you want to stay in this league. Especially given the fact I don't think he's as physically gifted as anyone but Kris Brown on our roster.

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Well that makes two of us. They were cap strapped to start with. They didn't have a two and Okoye fell into their laps. They made this decision back in April. Now they've watched the guys play and practice for five months....and WTF they are telling you ....believe it or not...is that Pettie is their best option.
Here's hoping Pettie doesn’t go down and some of you hard heads don't get to live the "why" of their decision. What I've seen the first three games is a guy playing way above his head and giving his very best. Can't ask any more from a man than that. If the resluts are not to your liking that's your problem not the Texan's. They put the very best product they could on the feild under their circumstance last off season. Crying about it for the next three months isn't going to accomplish anything. Either you trust them or you don't. I trust kubiak at his word. They didn't have the eighty million to buy one and there wasn't one after the third who was going to start for you in '07. That's the bottom line with Pettie.


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once again, we drafted Bennett with our 3rd pick (after Okoye and J.Jones... who would you not want right now) and signed Jamar Fletcher...

This off-season we had no money and got a QB, RB, OL depth, re-signed Andre Johnson, DT, LB help, WR help.

What would you've done differently? I'd say spending a middle round pick and getting an ex 1st round CB via FA is doing something!
you're throwing perls befor the swine there DM. The blood is in the water and the whipping post has been lonesome since DC left town.

Er, not to bang, however...

73 Jacoby Jones WR Lane Houston Texans
123 Fred Bennett CB South Carolina Houston Texans

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft

So basically what they are calling for is a redraft ? So which CB and where do you sacrifice Okoye or J.J. for ? Well herd I just don't see it.

Some folks just gotta whine. Like Beerlover stated, they'll fix it in the '08 off season.
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Why? Did you see Fletcher playing any better then Faggins?

Cause if you did you wern't watching the same game I was.
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