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Samuels is Jason David part 2. Another zone CB that can't cover anything man to man.
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Samuels is Jason David part 2. Another zone CB that can't cover anything man to man.
I've seen Samuels shut down plenty of people man to man.

If he was just another "Jason David" then why didn't the Pats let him walk like the Colts, when they always let their "zone CBs" walk. Nope instead, the Pats paid Samuels top dollar and franchised him to return.

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I just think it means that they didn't want to give up big plays on that side of the field. A lot of critical plays were given up by Fletcher and Faggins both, but I think that says more about their talent level than it does our coaching. I mean, we just played one of the NFL's all time, historic passing offenses...Faggins isn't a great CB but the team is good enough to beat the lower 16 teams in the NFL and compete with the better teams even with Faggins at CB2. The Manning Colts are good.
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I've seen Samuels shut down plenty of people man to man.

If he was just another "Jason David" then why didn't the Pats let him walk like the Colts, when they always let their "zone CBs" walk. Nope instead, the Pats paid Samuels top dollar and franchised him to return.
You're right, Samuels is a top notch CB in this league. We could only dream of having him on our roster right now. It would make a world of difference to our defense.
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Here's my take on this topic...it's just too early to put Bennett into the fire. I think that most of us here can agree that Kubiak knows what he's doing, so if Bennett was the better option, he would hae put him in already. From what I understand, Bennett isn't healthy. Once he's able to contribute, I say put him into nickle packages for some experience. Confidence is precious in this league, so the more favorable looks he gets, the better. Let's not throw him into the fire just yet.
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It's time to bring in some more CB's this off season and relegate Faggins to Texans history. Maybe Bennett isn't ready but even if he's completely unready I can't see how he could be abused worse than Faggins.

Lets face facts people. Our secondary is a running case of "You ARE the weakest link". There's always one guy back there waiting to give the game away. DeMarcus Faggins is this years Matt Stevens. We may not have anyone better to run out on the field but we can't lie about what we see. Peyton picked on him all day long (as he should have). Faggins is a nickel at best and more than likely on his way out. He's had a heck of a run for a 6th but it's time we got that secondary in order. Our DL rocks, our linebackers are playing their butts off. Our secondary must be improved.
Great comparison!

He's getting abused out there, just to get his WR partially covered we'll need a double team out there.
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For all you guy's regurgitating the same garbage bashing Faggins ..... Sunday he was covering Marvin Harrison , the guy is one of the top 5 recievers in the NFL . Harrison had 6 catches for 53 yards no TD's and a long of 14 yards ..... Pey-Me-A-Ton Manning was playing catch with him . He's no slouch either .... arguably the #1 or #2 QB in the game right now .

Add to that the Texans safeties are probably the weakest position on that side of the ball at this time . There is NO true FS on this roster . Boulware and Demps didnt join the team until after training camp and probably dont have a great grasp of their jobs in this defense just yet .... Not to mention that they are both more suited to the SS position . Do I even need to mention CC Brown here ?

Von Hutchins is a CB playing out of position , he's made a few plays but is he really the answer ? He was behind Faggins at the CB position for a reason .

Lets not forget that Glenn Earl , Jason Simmons and Brandon Harrison are all on IR .

Seems every week teams try to match up their best reciever against Faggins . And every week the coaches keep sending him out there with limited help over the top ..... could that be why he gives recievers a 5-7 yard cushion ?

Yes , Steve Smith had 3 TD's in last weeks game .... one of which was a highlight reel catch in the end zone tipping the ball to himself .... Faggins had excelent position on the play ..... Smith just made a great play . On one of the others about 5 guy's failed to tackle him after a mediocre gain .... just another great play from Smith .
Take away that play and Smith had a good game but nothing to bellow about . (7 catches for 79 yards . 11.3 avg)

As for the final catch that Harrison made for a first down essentially killing the Texans chances .... Its the coaches who call the plays and put the players in position prior to the snap not the other way around . Ive yet to see a Defensive Coordinator record a sack or interception ..... The coaches had to know better than giving Harrison a 7 yard cushion in that situatoin .

Maybe some of you guy's had Marvin Harrison on your fantasy teams this week and are kinda pissed he didnt do more ..... but when Harrison lines up against the Texans I'll take 6 catches for 53 yards and no TD's from my DB every week .

Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark had a bigger impact on this game than Harrison ....

You Armchair Cornerbacks need to find another scapegoat
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For all you guy's regurgitating the same garbage bashing Faggins ..... Sunday he was covering Marvin Harrison , the guy is one of the top 5 recievers in the NFL . Harrison had 6 catches for 53 yards no TD's and a long of 14 yards ..... Pey-Me-A-Ton Manning was playing catch with him . He's no slouch either .... arguably the #1 or #2 QB in the game right now .

Add to that the Texans safeties are probably the weakest position on that side of the ball at this time . There is NO true FS on this roster . Boulware and Demps didnt join the team until after training camp and probably dont have a great grasp of their jobs in this defense just yet .... Not to mention that they are both more suited to the SS position . Do I even need to mention CC Brown here ?

Von Hutchins is a CB playing out of position , he's made a few plays but is he really the answer ? He was behind Faggins at the CB position for a reason .

Lets not forget that Glenn Earl , Jason Simmons and Brandon Harrison are all on IR .

Seems every week teams try to match up their best reciever against Faggins . And every week the coaches keep sending him out there with limited help over the top ..... could that be why he gives recievers a 5-7 yard cushion ?

Yes , Steve Smith had 3 TD's in last weeks game .... one of which was a highlight reel catch in the end zone tipping the ball to himself .... Faggins had excelent position on the play ..... Smith just made a great play . On one of the others about 5 guy's failed to tackle him after a mediocre gain .... just another great play from Smith .
Take away that play and Smith had a good game but nothing to bellow about . (7 catches for 79 yards . 11.3 avg)

As for the final catch that Harrison made for a first down essentially killing the Texans chances .... Its the coaches who call the plays and put the players in position prior to the snap not the other way around . Ive yet to see a Defensive Coordinator record a sack or interception ..... The coaches had to know better than giving Harrison a 7 yard cushion in that situatoin .

Maybe some of you guy's had Marvin Harrison on your fantasy teams this week and are kinda pissed he didnt do more ..... but when Harrison lines up against the Texans I'll take 6 catches for 53 yards and no TD's from my DB every week .

Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark had a bigger impact on this game than Harrison ....

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Have you watched the Texans in previous years?

We don't call out Faggins for our health. He is a nice guy and we want him to succeed for the good of our team.

Your post is nothing more than a huge excuse to why Faggins hasn't played that well. There is no need to go over all of the reasons that we need a new CB2. Just read over all of the other comments.
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I tried to tell them.
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Have you watched the Texans in previous years?

We don't call out Faggins for our health. He is a nice guy and we want him to succeed for the good of our team.

Your post is nothing more than a huge excuse to why Faggins hasn't played that well. There is no need to go over all of the reasons that we need a new CB2. Just read over all of the other comments.
Marvin Harrison 53 yards...

what more does he need to say??
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Marvin Harrison 53 yards...

what more does he need to say??
CB's assigned to the same sides of the field...
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Have you watched the Texans in previous years?

We don't call out Faggins for our health. He is a nice guy and we want him to succeed for the good of our team.

Your post is nothing more than a huge excuse to why Faggins hasn't played that well. There is no need to go over all of the reasons that we need a new CB2. Just read over all of the other comments.
Yes , Ive watched since day one ....This team had the same problems last season .


Actually I was going over the reasons that the Texans need to get a safety that can cover .
When that happens Faggins wont be on an island every play , Or would you rather see CC Brown one on one with Harrison ? Only if you are a Dolts fan .

Go figure ...R. Smith has aquired two players since training camp in the secondary neither are corners . If Faggins is the problem Wouldnt Smith have signed one of those rejects that were cut by the other 31 NFL teams ? They are all better than Faggins ......


Defense is played by 11 men and when one thing doesnt work it breaks something else .... Having safey's who cant recognize and react in coverage means CB's give a bigger cushion LB's fall into coverage rather than blitzing .... Kinda like when the D-line cant get the job done the D-backs look horrible , LB's make tackles 5-6 yards down field rather than at the line of scrimage one feeds off of the other .
The sooner people figure out that the NFL aint Madden ....
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It sure was frustrating though watching him not be able to cover guys....He has got to really start stepping up....

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Yes , Ive watched since day one ....This team had the same problems last season .


Actually I was going over the reasons that the Texans need to get a safety that can cover .
When that happens Faggins wont be on an island every play , Or would you rather see CC Brown one on one with Harrison ? Only if you are a Dolts fan .

Go figure ...R. Smith has aquired two players since training camp in the secondary neither are corners . If Faggins is the problem Wouldnt Smith have signed one of those rejects that were cut by the other 31 NFL teams ? They are all better than Faggins ......


Defense is played by 11 men and when one thing doesnt work it breaks something else .... Having safey's who cant recognize and react in coverage means CB's give a bigger cushion LB's fall into coverage rather than blitzing .... Kinda like when the D-line cant get the job done the D-backs look horrible , LB's make tackles 5-6 yards down field rather than at the line of scrimage one feeds off of the other .
The sooner people figure out that the NFL aint Madden ....
While I also think we need to upgrade the S spots, Faggins coverage (or lack of) had nothing to do with the safety play. Faggins wasn't getting beat deep, he was getting abused on the intermediate passes........that has nothing to do with the safeties.

Your right about the Defense, it is played by 11 men and everybody has to do their job, Faggins is failing at his job.

Faggins needs to step up and elevate his play or sit down on the bench, its really not that complicated and this is a message board, so when people have opinions it has nothing to do with a video game.
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Your right about the Defense, it is played by 11 men and everybody has to do their job, Faggins is failing at his job.
I have to disagree on that statement . You have to remember who Faggins was lining up against and who was playin catch with that Harrison guy . Again that was Peyton Manning .

I'd give ya 20to1 that Faggins was told by the coaches in no uncertian terms to give him a cushion , keep everything in front of you and wrap up when ya tackle .
Let me repeat again Harrisons pedestrian numbers ..... 6 receptions for 53 yards and no TD's . An 8.8 avg per catch . Peety had 5 tackles and two assists . Seems to me he did exactly that .

Yes I realize he gave up several catches but thats because he has to give the reciever a big cushion .... why ? Because When he gets beat (this is Manning and Harrision we're talkin about here) he cant expect any help because the safety makes poor reads and takes bad angles .


For those who are still looking for excuses or a scapegoat here's a few stats ...

2 Turnovers . Two Ints one of which was in the red zone the Colts subsequent drive ended in a field goal . The other gave the Colts the ball at the Houston 21 and resulted in a TD . The Colts had No Turnovers.
40 Net yards rushing on 17 plays for the Texans .
Average Gain per Rushing Play 2.4
3 sacks allowed by the Texans for 22 yards . Manning was sacked Once for a whopping 3 yard loss .


That doesnt look like a blueprint for beating the Dolts to me .
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I have to disagree on that statement . You have to remember who Faggins was lining up against and who was playin catch with that Harrison guy . Again that was Peyton Manning .

I'd give ya 20to1 that Faggins was told by the coaches in no uncertian terms to give him a cushion , keep everything in front of you and wrap up when ya tackle .
Let me repeat again Harrisons pedestrian numbers ..... 6 receptions for 53 yards and no TD's . An 8.8 avg per catch . Peety had 5 tackles and two assists . Seems to me he did exactly that .

Yes I realize he gave up several catches but thats because he has to give the reciever a big cushion .... why ? Because When he gets beat (this is Manning and Harrision we're talkin about here) he cant expect any help because the safety makes poor reads and takes bad angles .


For those who are still looking for excuses or a scapegoat here's a few stats ...

2 Turnovers . Two Ints one of which was in the red zone the Colts subsequent drive ended in a field goal . The other gave the Colts the ball at the Houston 21 and resulted in a TD . The Colts had No Turnovers.
40 Net yards rushing on 17 plays for the Texans .
Average Gain per Rushing Play 2.4
3 sacks allowed by the Texans for 22 yards . Manning was sacked Once for a whopping 3 yard loss .


That doesnt look like a blueprint for beating the Dolts to me .
I'm not bashing Faggins just on his performance against Indy........this goes back to last week and the fact that our coaches have to tell him to give cushions like that (I doubt that was how he was supposed to play on the critical 3rd down though.) just shows how out matched he is going up against good receivers, and again, I could care less about the stats, it seems everytime the Colts needed a key play they threw and picked on Faggins. I'm not looking for a scapegoat.......I'm looking for somebody to step up and give a better performance.
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but what were the situations of the catches? i seem to remember a lot of 3 and __ were it was pretty clear that manning had harrison run to the first down and turn. 6 receptions for 53 ain't exactly marvin harrison unless those 6 catches were for 6 first downs. i wasn't expecting petey to put up much a fight against harrison and smith, but to be the weakest link over and again? i don't want a target playing cb, so i'd rather try something new than be burned by the same thing.
Even if we had put Dunta on Harrison it wouldnt matter.

Manning is gonna look at Harrison first no matter who is covering him.

The guy is one of the top 3 WRs of all time (Jerry Rice, Cris Carter, Marvin Harrison [yea, he belongs there]) & we complain when a 6th round pick gives him 50 yds in a game.
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Default Re: It's time to make Faggins a back up

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Even if we had put Dunta on Harrison it wouldnt matter.

Manning is gonna look at Harrison first no matter who is covering him.

The guy is one of the top 3 WRs of all time (Jerry Rice, Cris Carter, Marvin Harrison [yea, he belongs there]) & we complain when a 6th round pick gives him 50 yds in a game.
You forgot Lee Evans, Drew Bennett, and Coles/Cotchery, just off the top of my head. And as I get older, my memory gets hazy, but I believe Faggins would be willing to have Ryan Fitzpatrick inducted into the HoF as well. Just sayin'.
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Default Re: It's time to make Faggins a back up

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Even if we had put Dunta on Harrison it wouldnt matter.

Manning is gonna look at Harrison first no matter who is covering him.

The guy is one of the top 3 WRs of all time (Jerry Rice, Cris Carter, Marvin Harrison [yea, he belongs there]) & we complain when a 6th round pick gives him 50 yds in a game.
I will not knock Petey for his performance, after-all, he is a 6th round pick as well as a nickelback.

My complaint is that the #2 corner position has been a glaring weakness in our secondary since last season and we made no attempt at upgrading it this past off-season. The weakness in the position has, once again, become glaring and something must be done.
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