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Old 09-23-2007   #21
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Faggins is one of those guys that falls under "serviceable." They throw him out there, tell him not to get beat deep and he gives a 20 yrd cushion and teams just pick up 10 a pop on his side. I can basically say he plays football and that is almost a reach. We want to win now but I'm not sure if you don't switch some series up with Bennett and give him the same instructions and see if he can learn and be better.
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Faggins is awful. I'd start Bennett just as a means to prepare for our first round pick next year. If Bennett passes the test, good. If not we know the most pressing need from a defensive standpoint.
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I can't believe people are still wanting to stick by him.
It's not a question of me 'sticking by him'.

Go back and re-read my post.
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It's not a question of me 'sticking by him'.

Go back and re-read my post.
Fine, if you want to go with Fletcher, thats fine with me.

Frankly I don't care who we throw out there, as long as it's not Faggins. That experiment is over as far as I'm concerned.
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i've been sticking up for faggins for a long time now, and frankly i'm ready for a change. he's stinking it up in coverage, he's very hesitant, and needs to be sat out until he steps it up. i'm aware that covering steve smith & marvin harrison is near impossible for anyone, but he's looked horrible thus far.
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I'm sure CB is going to be a top priority for the Texans in the 08 draft-
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They throw him out there, tell him not to get beat deep and he gives a 20 yrd cushion and teams just pick up 10 a pop on his side.
Amen. I was getting physically ill watching that over and over again during the game. No jam at the los, just play with a big arse cushion, and get eaten up for 10-15 per pass attempt.

Is there no one who looks better in practice, etc., than Petey? Surely Kubiak & Co. will have to do something because this is pitiful.

Petey Faggins - you are the weakest link. Goodbye.
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Isn't Von Hutchins a former CB as well? I know we converted him to safety but maybe we can re-convert him?

Whatever Kubiak decides, I hope that Petey's not manned up on an elite receiver ever again. For the next few weeks we don't have anything to worry about in regards to covering elite receivers, but something needs to be done about the #2 CB obviously.
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Amen. I was getting physically ill watching that over and over again during the game. Surely Kubiak & Co. will have to do something because this is pitiful.

Petey Faggins - you are the weakest link. Goodbye.
Someone will be placed on IR for sure after this game....That gives a spot to bring in someone to evaluate...
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Faggins got punked. He was one of the reasons that the game was lost. I understand not wanting to give up the big play, but you cant give that kind of cushion to the colts. Manning will pick you apart every time. Time for Bennet.
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If we should try Bennet out as CB #2, next week is the perfect time against a weak Falcon team.

EDIT: Then again, Joey Harrington is looking like Peyton Manning against the Carolina's D.
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Faggins can't cover a corpse...with a blanket.
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Does anyone know Petey's 40 time? I was always under the impression that he had fairly good ball skills, but had to give a cushion because he lacked top-end speed. But I found he had the best 3-cone time and an excellent 20-yard shuttle time at the 2002 combine.

They were obviously picking on Petey, and we could use an upgrade, but D-Rob, despite an otherwise very good game, got burned by a play fake for a big one as well. Manning also had a lot of time to throw for most of the game. Just sayin'.
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I don't know why Jamar Fletcher isn't our #2, he's at least made a play on defense this year.
fletcher played but was burned badly , and missed several tackles ! the only good thing secondary wise I saw was bolware covered a couple of times today and stopped a touchdown on one play .
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fletcher played but was burned badly , and missed several tackles ! the only good thing secondary wise I saw was bolware covered a couple of times today and stopped a touchdown on one play .
I saw Boulware burned on acouple of plays, one that sticks out was the colts first TD when Dallas Clark got past him and caught the TD. He was suppose to jam him but didn't and it ended up a TD in about 2 seconds.

I think the only TD stopped in the end zone, was by safety, Von Hutchins.
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I just got back home from the game....Fletcher was picked on early covering the slot. It was clear that the Colts game planned to pick on him and Faggins. Faggins is a good nickel backer...but he isn't anything but a short term starter at CB2...the colts kept going to the slot and then taking the easy curl on the outside with Faggins unable to play bump and run....Faggins had a huge cushion all game. Until the Texans get a legit cb and move Faggins to the nickel, they will struggle against the pass. That may be till next season.
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It's time to bring in some more CB's this off season and relegate Faggins to Texans history. Maybe Bennett isn't ready but even if he's completely unready I can't see how he could be abused worse than Faggins.

Lets face facts people. Our secondary is a running case of "You ARE the weakest link". There's always one guy back there waiting to give the game away. DeMarcus Faggins is this years Matt Stevens. We may not have anyone better to run out on the field but we can't lie about what we see. Peyton picked on him all day long (as he should have). Faggins is a nickel at best and more than likely on his way out. He's had a heck of a run for a 6th but it's time we got that secondary in order. Our DL rocks, our linebackers are playing their butts off. Our secondary must be improved.
In semi-relevant land, and for a complete history, I will share with you something I heard Matt Stevens say after a fan talked to him nicely about the being burnt thing. (not a subject I'd be happy to bring up to a player).

He said that fans have no idea what coverages are called, and that sometimes he got blamed for things that were other people's responsibilities.

He was at the end of his career, and he was a step or three slow, but the players don't chose themselves. They play usually because there is no better option and hope that coaches put them in good positions.

The guy played for 8 years, coming out of Appalachian State, and I am guessing he stayed in the league that long because a. the Texans were desperate for players and b. he was an effort guy.

FWIW, he was a really nice guy, a not terribly good safety. Not defending him, just reporting.

Basically, I'm guessing our plan for cornerback is to hope that Dunta doesn't get hurt, pray a lot, and then maybe spend some of the money next year that will be freed up from contracts. As much as Bob McNair says the Mario signing was about getting pressure on Peyton Manning, better options in the secondary would help in facing the Colts.

Robinson has more confidence (at least publicly) in Faggins than the fanbase does. He was very happy when Faggins came back after injury.
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In my book Faggins and Fletcher are both going to get you beat because they both have huge holes in their games. Faggins is a step slow with some skill, Fletcher is a gambler with good athleticism both of them can't be relied on.

Personally I would take the athlete who can recover with some speed and make the occasional play.

What is Bennett's weakness? Is it purely experience at this point and if so, why not throw him in the deep end to find his feet?
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It's time to bring in some more CB's this off season and relegate Faggins to Texans history. Maybe Bennett isn't ready but even if he's completely unready I can't see how he could be abused worse than Faggins.

Lets face facts people. Our secondary is a running case of "You ARE the weakest link". There's always one guy back there waiting to give the game away. DeMarcus Faggins is this years Matt Stevens. We may not have anyone better to run out on the field but we can't lie about what we see. Peyton picked on him all day long (as he should have). Faggins is a nickel at best and more than likely on his way out. He's had a heck of a run for a 6th but it's time we got that secondary in order. Our DL rocks, our linebackers are playing their butts off. Our secondary must be improved.
YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH.

[quote=Marcus;743087]You have to have more than size and speed to be an upgrade. You have to know your assignment. You have to know the scheme. Yeah, he might have more size and speed, but what good is that going to do you if you bust a coverage.

Bennett and Fletcher are not starting over Faggins for good reasons.[/QUOTE
I'M NOT SO SURE ABOUT FAGGINS STARTING FOR GOOD REASON. KUBES IS PRETTY LOYAL TO CERTAIN PLAYERS. AFTER WATCHING OUR SUB RECEIVERS TODAY, WHY IS WALTERS STARTING AND ANDRE DAVIS INACTIVE??
At this point, I'm ready to see ANYBODY back there but Faggins. Did Chad Stanley find another job?? At least it would be funny to watch instead of sickening.
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I'M NOT SO SURE ABOUT FAGGINS STARTING FOR GOOD REASON. KUBES IS PRETTY LOYAL TO CERTAIN PLAYERS. AFTER WATCHING OUR SUB RECEIVERS TODAY, WHY IS WALTERS STARTING AND ANDRE DAVIS INACTIVE??At this point, I'm ready to see ANYBODY back there but Faggins. Did Chad Stanley find another job?? At least it would be funny to watch instead of sickening.
I think Faggins is there because Robinson likes him on the other side. That he is comfortable that he will do his assignments right. At least that is what he said when Faggins came back from injury.
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