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Old 09-18-2007   #21
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So thats what 2nd and 3rd round picks are for. Its been so long since weve had them, I almost forgot what they were good for!
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They did open up a good hole but the real key was Leach taking out the MLB which turned a 3-4 yard play into a 13 yd TD.
True, true. I was just giving the big men their share of the lovin.
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I was really impressed with our OL! It's just what all of yall were saying before the game, well any game for that matter:

Whoever wins in the trenches will win the game. I would think it is safe to say our DL dominated their OL and our OL dominated their DL. Way to go winston and salaam! I thought Peppers would manhandle winston and we'd have to have a TE on him every play.
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Very proud of Winston's performance, and all the guys who helped him.

I also agree with TC on the "well-spoken" part. Winston can flat-out break down some football. Makes Madden sound like a doddering *****, which admittedly doesn't take too hard of a shove. He's an excellent football speaker who definitely has a career in broadcasting when it's over...but let's hope that's not for a long, long time.
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But the time he has is something I've never seen before. I know he makes quick reads and has good pocket presence but he really does have a lot of time to make his reads as compared to seasons past. It's just strange.

Risks vs Rewards...

Attack David Carr with Wreckless abandon, and you'd get an INT, a fumble, a Sack, or a Sack&Fumble.

Attack Matt Schaub, and you'll likely get burned for a 77 yard TD.

As much as we're supposed to be a running team, in both games this year, we came out passing. Over the middle, to the 9, hitting the screens... with this QB, opposing teams understand they need to cover everybody... meaning they can't blitz like they want.
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As much as we're supposed to be a running team, in both games this year, we came out passing. Over the middle, to the 9, hitting the screens... with this QB, opposing teams understand they need to cover everybody... meaning they can't blitz like they want.
Isn't it beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Panther Fans were wondering what happened to Peppers during the game.

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Risks vs Rewards...

Attack David Carr with Wreckless abandon, and you'd get an INT, a fumble, a Sack, or a Sack&Fumble.

Attack Matt Schaub, and you'll likely get burned for a 77 yard TD.

As much as we're supposed to be a running team, in both games this year, we came out passing. Over the middle, to the 9, hitting the screens... with this QB, opposing teams understand they need to cover everybody... meaning they can't blitz like they want.
Alot of what we have seen the past 2 games is a mixture of good on the field play and excellent coaching. The team has been executing like they never have before and the coaches have been able to exploit holes in the opponents schemes. That 77 yard burn is an excellent example, all we saw was good execution by the offense but behind the secenes that play was formulated on the fly to exploit a conistent hole in the secondary.

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The offensive line did a great job.

Defensive coordinators are beginning to understand that Schaub can read their defense and he will get the ball out of his hands quickly.

Which means the risk versus reward on blitzing the Texans have gone way up.

But, this doesn't happen just because of the offensive line.

When you call the right play and everyone executes, you are going to have good results.

Everyone on the offense is playing pretty good right now, including the coaching staff.
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The offensive line did a great job.

Defensive coordinators are beginning to understand that Schaub can read their defense and he will get the ball out of his hands quickly.

Which means the risk versus reward on blitzing the Texans have gone way up.

But, this doesn't happen just because of the offensive line.

When you call the right play and everyone executes, you are going to have good results.

Everyone on the offense is playing pretty good right now, including the coaching staff.
And this is the new key to our success. The success we have had with the running game as well as the passing game now makes the play-action and option plays a constant threat.

Here's to more 77 yard TD passes.
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Can someone explain to me how this O-line can allow 0 sacks to a much vaunted D-line? I mean, is it really the QB play? I can't ever recall the line giving so much time to YKW. I know that YKW did sack himself quite a bit but the disparity in sacks allowed is amazing. What happened that made this a quality NFL OL?
It isn't just the quarterback play, although that is a factor. The line just played better. They didn't miss assignments or mess up in their fundamentals like they did in many, many previous games. They need to do that consistently to maintain the level of play we saw last week. There was a big difference in line play between week one and week two, with the same QB.
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I also remember the o-line getting some respect from the NBC Sunday night show. Collinsworth said he interviewed some members from the o-line, and they told him the QB play was making the difference.
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Alot of what we have seen the past 2 games is a mixture of good on the field play and excellent coaching. The team has been executing like they never have before and the coaches have been able to exploit holes in the opponents schemes. That 77 yard burn is an excellent example, all we saw was good execution by the offense but behind the secenes that play was formulated on the fly to exploit a conistent hole in the secondary.

My $0.02
Those plays were consistently available to us last year. But our QB had a tendency to throw the ball behind the recievers when he needed to put it in front, In front, when he needed to put it behind. Low for no good reason, & where the defense could make a better play on the ball than our guy.

Sure he had a stronger arm than the new #8, but he had no clue what ball placement meant.

When Schaub threw that ball, that got Andre Smacked up, he knew that was a bad throw, even though it was a completion.

When David threw that ball to Cook in the NYGiants game that Jameel took the big hit, and fumbled the ball, I have a feeling David thought, "Well I threw a good pass" even though he led Jameel right into the defender.
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Oh, I get it. Carr is gone, so now we're making excuses for Cook's fumbling. It was the QBs fault, lol.

I'm just kidding. IIRC, you're right anyway.
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"We just had five guys up there that decided that we're going to keep (the quarterback) clean," Winston said as he readied to leave the visitors' locker room. "It's a total offensive effort; everyone knows their role, everyone's doing their job."

Asked about Peppers, Winston grinned.

"He's a great player; you won't find any guys as athletic," he said.

"I think that helped me; I go against (defensive end Mario Williams) a lot in practice. And I saw a lot of the same things they do. You know, long arms, powerful, fast upfield. So I kind of knew what I was getting into.
Here's to all the Winston Doubters.
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Can someone explain to me how this O-line can allow 0 sacks to a much vaunted D-line? I mean, is it really the QB play? I can't ever recall the line giving so much time to YKW. I know that YKW did sack himself quite a bit but the disparity in sacks allowed is amazing. What happened that made this a quality NFL OL?
The QB makes a huge difference if he will just get rid of the ball. Schaub only rolls out (a) when the play is designed that way or (b) when he actually needs to. YKW ran INTO sacks because he panicked and ran to the first glimpse of daylight he saw.

Also, Peppers has a tendency to disappear completely in games for some reason. He had 0 tackles and 0 sacks in the Super Bowl. If there is one knock against him, that would be it.
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It isn't just the quarterback play, although that is a factor. The line just played better. They didn't miss assignments or mess up in their fundamentals like they did in many, many previous games. They need to do that consistently to maintain the level of play we saw last week. There was a big difference in line play between week one and week two, with the same QB.
I'm all for feeling good about our team, but we can't say we didn't miss assignments or mess up in the fundamentals.

There were several mistakes made by the OL(leaving their blocks too soon, advancing to the second level without at least chipping the defensive lineman, Vonta Leech looking too far downfiel, and not blocking the first threat in a whole)... While I won't call Ahman Green, Ron Dayne, and Matt Schaub playmakers just yet, they were able to overcome those mistakes, or at least not let them turn into really bad plays.

We look good overall, we totally dominated two middle of the road, on the bubble teams(Well, KC was on the bubble last year).

But if we ever put together a perfect game, it could get pretty scary around here.
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If the O-line, or any unit for that matter, ever comes out of a game feeling like they played "flawless" football, we're in trouble. I think Kubiak is the kind of coach that will congratulate his players, yet at the same time let them know there is always room for improvement. This is a very well coached team, and low key a very talented one. The sky is the limit, and with the mixture we have here there isn't a team in the NFL that we can't beat come Sunday.

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Risks vs Rewards...

Attack David Carr with Wreckless abandon, and you'd get an INT, a fumble, a Sack, or a Sack&Fumble.

Attack Matt Schaub, and you'll likely get burned for a 77 yard TD.

As much as we're supposed to be a running team, in both games this year, we came out passing. Over the middle, to the 9, hitting the screens... with this QB, opposing teams understand they need to cover everybody... meaning they can't blitz like they want.
If the left one don't get you then the right one will. signed Jimmy Dean "16 tons". We are definitely not a one dimensional team. I am waiting for a TE to haul in a pass and go ALL THE WAY!!
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It isn't just the quarterback play, although that is a factor. The line just played better. They didn't miss assignments or mess up in their fundamentals like they did in many, many previous games. They need to do that consistently to maintain the level of play we saw last week. There was a big difference in line play between week one and week two, with the same QB.
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I'm all for feeling good about our team, but we can't say we didn't miss assignments or mess up in the fundamentals.
They didn't miss assignments or mess up in their fundamentals like they did in many, many previous games.

I did not say they played flawless football. I said they played better. I said they didn't mess up like in other games. Like meaning in a similar manner or as much as, etc. In other words, they didn't screw up every third play. I know people come here to argue, but at least pick a legitimate point.

Anybody who thinks I think this o-line is flawless hasn't been paying attention.
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If the O-line, or any unit for that matter, ever comes out of a game feeling like they played "flawless" football, we're in trouble. I think Kubiak is the kind of coach that will congratulate his players, yet at the same time let them know there is always room for improvement. This is a very well coached team, and low key a very talented one. The sky is the limit, and with the mixture we have here there isn't a team in the NFL that we can't beat come Sunday.

That is all.
Wait a minute - aren't you the same guy who told me I was wrong about o-line faults, and that the team (and the entire NFL for that matter) have flawless pass blocking schemes?
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