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Old 09-18-2007   #61
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Nothing significant has changed on the Colts offense from last year, so our defense needs to play at the same level of intensity or better than it did the last time.
Only one thing - their LT retired and I think they're playing a rookie there instead. The Titans d-line got pressure on Manning - sacked him a couple of times.

We can win if our d-line can do as well or better than the Titans, and Green and Dayne run over them chewing up the clock.
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Only one thing - their LT retired and I think they're playing a rookie there instead. The Titans d-line got pressure on Manning - sacked him a couple of times.

We can win if our d-line can do as well or better than the Titans, and Green and Dayne run over them chewing up the clock.
They also got an interception off of him.

I personally think that the defense will be the key to this game. I see our offense struggling a bit without AJ, but not to the extent that we lose the game because of it. I feel that it will be a close one, but our D is better than theirs, and you all know it.
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I don't think the offense struggles...

Be prepared for a lot of dink and dunk - but also be prepared for alot of first downs and long clock draining drives.
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I don't think the offense struggles...

Be prepared for a lot of dink and dunk - but also be prepared for alot of first downs and long clock draining drives.
My thought exactly.... Schaub is going to have to act more like Tom Brady and spread the ball around to everyone on the offense.

Can we win without AJ? Yes we can!
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If Tennesee only lost by a couple with a nonpassing QB and the crew of WR scraps they have, we should be able to beat the Colts.

Will it be easy? Nope.

Will I bet my house on a Houston win? Probably not.

But it's not impossible.
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"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

Ahman is on 610 and sounds pretty confident that they won't change the game plan much...
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I think we have a legit shot at winning. Green was out of the Carolina game halfway thru the 3rd quarter, so he wasn't pounded on as much in garbage time and should be fairly fresh for the Colts. IMHO, that was a very smart, intentional move by Kubes. He knows that ball control is how you beat the Colts. I imagine we'll see 40-50 rushes this Sunday between all 3 backs. We'll run it down their throat, then throw it downfield when we catch them loading the box up too much. I like Jacoby Jones A LOT and Mathis has improved quite a bit, as well. If the activate Andre Davis this week, it could be pretty interesting. We aren't as predictable this year with our TE's, either. Schaub will hit any one of them if they're open.
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I agree with Ole Miss Texan on this one. You guys are not giving Andre Johnson enough credit.

AJ had 7 catches, all the other WRs had 1. The reason AJ has more catches is because we throw him the ball more often, but the reason we throw him the ball more often is because he gets open more often.

We may have beat the Colts last year, but they didn't have Bob Sanders. If anyone has watched the Colts this year, I think it is a very safe bet to say Bob Sanders is playing the best defense of any NFL player right now. The Colts run defense is completely different with him in the game.

Whats the only way to get Sanders off the ball? Have guys like AJ stretch the defense.

I think if AJ is missing, its going to make it a lot harder for the other WRs and for our runnings backs to find space.

We can definitely still win this game, but I wish people wouldn't get so confident so early. They are the best team in the NFL.
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I think we have a legit shot at winning. Green was out of the Carolina game halfway thru the 3rd quarter, so he wasn't pounded on as much in garbage time and should be fairly fresh for the Colts. IMHO, that was a very smart, intentional move by Kubes. He knows that ball control is how you beat the Colts. I imagine we'll see 40-50 rushes this Sunday between all 3 backs. We'll run it down their throat, then throw it downfield when we catch them loading the box up too much. I like Jacoby Jones A LOT and Mathis has improved quite a bit, as well. If the activate Andre Davis this week, it could be pretty interesting. We aren't as predictable this year with our TE's, either. Schaub will hit any one of them if they're open.
You can't run it down their throats when Sanders is playing. You can't run it down their throats if you get behind by more than 2 scores and its after halftime.

What happens if its 21 - 7 in the 3rd? Are we still going to run run run?

I would LOVE to see a 50 rush game, because it would mean we are protecting the lead. But if you get one dimensional, you better believe the other team is going to capitalize.

The colts defense is good this year. We can't right them off like last years defense
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You can't run it down their throats when Sanders is playing.
Key matchup this week--Leach v. Sanders and Brackett
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I didn't read through everyones post so excuse me if this is a repeat.

Though it hurts alot we have a shot due to what we did last year against them. 200 yards of rushing the ball. If we can control clock and do things like utilize Daniels, run some bubble screens with Jacoby..pretty much keep within ourselves then we have a chance. The problem is going to be that they have two WRs that are #1s. Whomever is on the side Dunta is not on will get beat at times and if the Colts put up points quick then it will be a problem. But there is always a shot.

But I think the thing we need to do in the passing game is do what they do with S. Smith with Jacoby. Get it in his hands short and let him run if he can.
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Player Rec Yds Yds/Rec Long TD
Andre Johnson 14 262 18.7 77 3
Owen Daniels 6 72 12.0 14 0
Vonta Leach 6 29 4.8 9 0
Ahman Green 4 23 5.8 12 0
Jacoby Jones 2 33 16.5 26 0
Kevin Walter 2 17 8.5 10 0
Ron Dayne 1 10 10.0 10 0
Jeb Putzier 1 6 6.0 6 0

Per nfl.com

I wouldn't focus on the fact that AJ has all our receiving TD's after 2 games...My whole point is that AJ keeps drives alive by making first downs... I would suspect he would prolong at least 2 drives which would have a huge impact on our game plan of "keep the ball from peyton!"

Trivia Question (which I don't know yet, lol): How many of AJ's 14 catches this season have been for a 1st Down?
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I am not concerned in the slightest. We will try to establish the run early. AG will likely get more carries against the Colts then he has in the previous 2 games. We will likely see more screens and dumps to the TE then we have as well. The Colt's, albeit there defense seems to have gotten better, are still a team with exploits. We proved it last year and we will prove it again this year. The secondary is the strength of the Colt's defense so AJ would have probably have made a couple of key plays in this game but I do not think he is detrimental to our success verses the Colt's.

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You can't run it down their throats when Sanders is playing. You can't run it down their throats if you get behind by more than 2 scores and its after halftime.

What happens if its 21 - 7 in the 3rd? Are we still going to run run run?

I would LOVE to see a 50 rush game, because it would mean we are protecting the lead. But if you get one dimensional, you better believe the other team is going to capitalize.

The colts defense is good this year. We can't right them off like last years defense
There were a lot of IFS in my post.... the biggest being IF we can generate enough pressure on Manning to get him antsy. The Texans have been very successful this year in mixing up the play calling and getting some quick scores so they CAN sit on the lead. I agree that the Colts D is MUCH better than it was last year, but then again, so is OUR team as a WHOLE. With our D-Line getting good pressure up front, our secondary swarming the ball and laying some SERIOUS hits and our offense being directed by a good QB this game takes on such a different look that it'll be a toss up as to who wins. If we lose, I'll be OK with it as long as we were in the game for 4 quarters and gave it hell.
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The colts defense is good this year. We can't right them off like last years defense
Let's not crown the Colts defense's behinds just yet.

The Colts played the Saints in their dome (NO is a team that is struggling and is probably not as good as the preseason predictions that account for the division they play in) and the Titans. They looked good against the Saints and non-good against the Titans.

Colts in their dome is not the same as the Colts on the road.

I have to say I am truly curious to see what the Texans system looks like with no AJ. Don't want to see that, but I'm curious to see what Schaub can do.



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Okay, curiosity killed the cat...I looked it up

KC Game
Catch 1: 1st play of game 5 yd rec.
Catch 2: 15 yd 1st down rec. to KC 25
Catch 3: 77 yd TD rec.
Catch 4: 19 yd 1st down rec.
Catch 5: 2nd and 20, 6yd rec. (AJ Fumbles )
Catch 6: 9 yd 1st down rec.
Catch 7: 2nd and 12, 11 yd rec. (Dayne 1st down on 3rd and 1)

CAR Game
Catch 1 (voided): 13 yd 1st down rec. (Illegal formation i think on salaam, replay 3rd down)
Catch 1: 33 yd 1st down
Catch 2: 31 yd TD Rec.
Catch 3: 7 yd rec on 3rd and long, set up putzier 1st down on next play
Catch 4: 9 yd TD Rec.
Catch 5: 10 yd rec on 3rd & 17, set up 25 yd FG by Kris Brown at end of 1st half
Catch 6: 20 yd 1st down rec. to CAR 24
Catch 7 10 yd rec for 1st down on 3rd and 10

So to recap AJ's 14 Receptions:
3 for TD's
6 for 1st downs
1 to set up FG
2 to set up 3rd and short which were converted on next play (putzier/dayne)
1 5yd rec that had little effect
1 6yd rec which AJ fumbled

So AJ was KEY to converting 8 first downs, setting up 1 FG, and 3 TD's. Thats 12 of his 14 receptions!!!!

I'm a huge Jacoby supporter and Like Walter a lot more than most fans... but they are going to have to step up big time, while Green/Dayne/Gado have to have a huge game, and our Defense needs to keep doing what they are doing but against the 2nd best offense in the league. (Pats #1?) It can be done but we will have to play the best game of our NFL existence...I would then declare us playoff bound and that would really really excite me! lol
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So AJ was KEY to converting 8 first downs, setting up 1 FG, and 3 TD's. Thats 12 of his 14 receptions!!!!

I'm a huge Jacoby supporter and Like Walter a lot more than most fans... but they are going to have to step up big time, while Green/Dayne/Gado have to have a huge game, and our Defense needs to keep doing what they are doing but against the 2nd best offense in the league. (Pats #1?) It can be done but we will have to play the best game of our NFL existence...I would then declare us playoff bound and that would really really excite me! lol
Thanks for looking it up.

What is interesting to me is how some people complained that in the preseason, Andre Johnson wasn't getting the ball enough. And then when the season started, bam.

Of course, it is easier for Jacoby Jones to get more open when AJ is also on the field with him, but it will be interesting to see if the sort of efficiency we saw with the non-AJ WRs in the preseason carries over to the regular season. Like the beginning of the Tampa Bay game.

Let's assume that the Texans are a really good team. (This isn't as much of a homer assumption as could seem--Pete Prisco's rating system gave both of the Texans wins high quality win marks). The Colts haven't played a really good team on the road yet. (Okay, you can say that the Titans are a really good team. I'm not sold on that yet. I believe that they are a quirky team that presents interesting matchup problems).

Last year, even when the Colts were going 9-0, they had a really easy early schedule, and many of the games they won were by very small margins.

I think Bob Sanders is great, and then there is Freeney, and then there is a bunch of guys who left in the offseason. The Colts defense depends on its offense to get up early and for opposing offenses to abandon the run when they get down and get one dimensional.


And to continue this discussion...

We gotta take these *******. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.



Personally, I think the best approach is to bust them in the mouth.
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