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As I rewatched the KC vs Texans game I couldn't help to notice that our offense made alot of mistakes. They had a few lucky plays but nothing to write home about. Our defense started out slow and finally picked up. How do they go about picking up the pace sooner?
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As I rewatched the KC vs Texans game I couldn't help to notice that our offense made alot of mistakes. They had a few lucky plays but nothing to write home about. Our defense started out slow and finally picked up. How do they go about picking up the pace sooner?

What I noticed was our offense made a bunch of mistakes but didn't have a problem recovering from them. Getting a penalty didn't automatically mean we weren't going to get a first down. Except for a couple of 3 and outs, we moved the ball pretty well.

I think part of the problem was just jitters and age. I think it's just a matter of gelling. I expect them to clean up a bunch of those mistakes that they made and I expect them to play much better against Carolina.

Our defense... I think they just needed some confidence.

KC was a good stepping stone to the rest of the season. It was like a tune-up game.
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we are alwys going to make mistakes but we still kicked arse and thats all that matters we will never be perfect
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As I rewatched the KC vs Texans game I couldn't help to notice that our offense made alot of mistakes. They had a few lucky plays but nothing to write home about. Our defense started out slow and finally picked up. How do they go about picking up the pace sooner?
Other than a couple of isolated games, the offense looked better than any time in the past 5 years, and you are complaining? Nice.
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Just because the score was 20 to 3 doesn't mean we played a good offensive game.

We had a fumble recovery for a td, thats 7 right there

We also had a 77 yard pass to AJ, thats 7 right there.

Other than those two LUCKY (Yes, I said lucky because neither should be counted on) plays, our offense didn't score a TD.

The 10 minute drive was the only time our offense really looked dominant.

To say we looked better than we had in the last 5 years is pure homer-ism. Remember our 7-9 year? We looked better in many of those games than we did Sunday

YKW's name and legacy has become so crazy that to even suggest that there was room to improve in Schaub's game is akin to saying your a cowboys/tacks fan.

With 4 turnovers, we should have scored way more than 20 points. THere was a LOT of room for improvement, even though we played an AWESOME game.

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Just because the score was 20 to 3 doesn't mean we played a good offensive game.

We had a fumble recovery for a td, thats 7 right there

We also had a 77 yard pass to AJ, thats 7 right there.

Other than those two LUCKY (Yes, I said lucky because neither should be counted on) plays, our offense didn't score a TD.

The 10 minute drive was the only time our offense really looked dominant.

To say we looked better than we had in the last 5 years is pure homer-ism. Remember our 7-9 year? We looked better in many of those games than we did Sunday

YKW's name and legacy has become so crazy that to even suggest that there was room to improve in Schaub's game is akin to saying your a cowboys/tacks fan.

With 4 turnovers, we should have scored way more than 20 points. THere was a LOT of room for improvement, even though we played an AWESOME game.

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LOL....

A pass to AJ should be considered "LUCKY" ????

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Just because the score was 20 to 3 doesn't mean we played a good offensive game.

We had a fumble recovery for a td, thats 7 right there

We also had a 77 yard pass to AJ, thats 7 right there.

Other than those two LUCKY (Yes, I said lucky because neither should be counted on) plays, our offense didn't score a TD.

The 10 minute drive was the only time our offense really looked dominant.

To say we looked better than we had in the last 5 years is pure homer-ism. Remember our 7-9 year? We looked better in many of those games than we did Sunday

YKW's name and legacy has become so crazy that to even suggest that there was room to improve in Schaub's game is akin to saying your a cowboys/tacks fan.

With 4 turnovers, we should have scored way more than 20 points. THere was a LOT of room for improvement, even though we played an AWESOME game.

Criticism does not equal contempt all the time
Schaub went 16-22 with a 101.5 passer rating in his first outing as a starting quarterback and a Texan. So for you to suggest we didn't do well is unfounded. The ball was spread around, and he went through his check downs at an unbelieveably fast pace. Had the 77 tard TD not been thrown, what is to say we wouldn't have driven the ball into the end zone that drive? If Mario wouldn't have recovered that fumble and returned it for a TD then whats to say we wouldn't have held the KC offense to a 3 and out and scored on our next drive? We capitalized off of KC's mistakes but that doesn't justify taking anything away from our offense.

I will say that, as stoked as I am about the way our offense played, I will save any praise for our offense as a whole until after the Carolina game. They are a much better rounded off team than KC and it will be more telling.

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LOL....

A pass to AJ should be considered "LUCKY" ????

LMAO...
Anytime there is a play for 77 yards in a game, its because someone on the other side did something seriously wrong. The NFL talent level is too close for anyone to ever count on a 80 yard play.

Johnson even said in his postgame interview that the coverage just happened to be absolutely perfect and fall for everything they did in that play. He said it happened just like it was drawn up. That, in my personal opinion, is great luck. Sure, it is obvious that having a great coach call a great play and having a great WR run a great route all helped. But a 70 yard play requires some luck as well
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Schaub went 16-22 with a 101.5 passer rating in his first outing as a starting quarterback and a Texan. So for you to suggest we didn't do well is unfounded. The ball was spread around, and he went through his check downs at an unbelieveably fast pace. Had the 77 tard TD not been thrown, what is to say we wouldn't have driven the ball into the end zone that drive? If Mario wouldn't have recovered that fumble and returned it for a TD then whats to say we wouldn't have held the KC offense to a 3 and out and scored on our next drive? We capitalized off of KC's mistakes but that doesn't justify taking anything away from our offense.

I will say that, as stoked as I am about the way our offense played, I will save any praise for our offense as a whole until after the Carolina game. They are a much better rounded off team than KC and it will be more telling.

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I never said we didnt play well the whole game, I simply said there was room for improvement despite playing an awesome game.

If you guys are satisfied and are ready to say this is as good as it gets, thats fine. But when I hear AJ, Schaub, and Kubes all saying they were happy to win but ready to get back into practice to work out the mistakes they made, Im more inclined to believe them. I'd like to believe there is still an upside to this team. They played a good game. We won. But there were plenty of times Schaub looked like a new guy on a new team, and plenty of time for him to get more comfortable and take this team to a new level
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We also had a 77 yard pass to AJ, thats 7 right there.

Other than those two LUCKY (Yes, I said lucky because neither should be counted on) plays, our offense didn't score a TD.
The Texans worked to make that TD to AJ happen. You can see on at least 2 plays the Texans ran previously, that the FS jumped inside to stop the play. First, was on the reverse to Jacoby. Later, on the shovel pass to Green. Each time, the FS broke early to get to the runner.

The Texan coaches upstairs had to see that. In fact, that's why Kubiak scripts plays early, to see how the defense reacts to a play. They knew the FS would vacate that zone on playaction. They earned that TD, nothing lucky about it.

The Texans converted 9 of 14 third downs, an excellent ratio. Sure, they left points on the table They must be more efficient in scoring territory against a good team, like the Panthers or the Colts coming up. The offense wasn't perfect, but it was good enough to win. It's been awile since we have been able to say that.
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Anytime there is a play for 77 yards in a game, its because someone on the other side did something seriously wrong. The NFL talent level is too close for anyone to ever count on a 80 yard play.

Johnson even said in his postgame interview that the coverage just happened to be absolutely perfect and fall for everything they did in that play. He said it happened just like it was drawn up. That, in my personal opinion, is great luck. Sure, it is obvious that having a great coach call a great play and having a great WR run a great route all helped. But a 70 yard play requires some luck as well
LOL..You guys keep me laughing and I thank you for it....


Why did the defense do something wrong ?

Maybe because the O-line, QB, RB, and WR's did a good job selling the play fake ?

Maybe A.J ran a good route...Maybe the DB wasn't fast enough to keep up with him ?

Maybe Schaub made a good throw ?

Maybe it was a good play call that exploited a weakness or tendency ?????

Please stop the non-sense...
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Just to add on to what Lucky said I recall hearing Kubiak say something about that 77 yd TD pass to AJ was sort of drawn up on the field in an effort to exploit that tendency Lucky was describing. So definately far from luck.

I'll agree that we can't always expect a big 70+ yard passing play every game, but we certainly can expect to see big plays, be it a crucial 3rd down conversion or a pass for a TD, from the passing game week in and week out.
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Sure, we could improve. But how many times have we have a 70 yd + scoring strike? How many times have we had a 10 min + dr? We also controlled the ball for 32:50 seconds and our QB was well over 200 yards in passing.

We also looked like a professional offense out there, not some pee wee league team.

I'm not saying the offense was great. Yes, the offense left a considerable amount of points on the table. Yes, the line screwed up a number of times. Yes, the running game was less than great. Having said all of that, what I am saying that it's still one of the best overall efforts we have had given the limp noodle offense we have run for 5 years.
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I never said we didnt play well the whole game, I simply said there was room for improvement despite playing an awesome game.

If you guys are satisfied and are ready to say this is as good as it gets, thats fine. But when I hear AJ, Schaub, and Kubes all saying they were happy to win but ready to get back into practice to work out the mistakes they made, Im more inclined to believe them. I'd like to believe there is still an upside to this team. They played a good game. We won. But there were plenty of times Schaub looked like a new guy on a new team, and plenty of time for him to get more comfortable and take this team to a new level
I agree with what I have in bold. He made his mistakes and recovered better than anyone could have expected. This wasn't a Peyton Manning offense we saw on Sunday but they far exceeded many of our expectations.

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The funny thing is that Schaub didn't really exceed my expectations...

He actually fell a little bit short of what I expected.....But nothing major...just minor things that I have no doubt he'll get corrected...
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The Chiefs killed themselves with some bad play calling and turnovers. They ran the ball well when they ran it (their backs averaged over 4 yards a carry)...but got too cutesypie in their playcalling and Huard had the look of a QB that is trying not to screw up the game (like the Carr led Texans)....I think if they played a bit more smashmouth football the game would have been closer.
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Our offense only scored 13 points. They had opportunities to score 14 more.

I'm sure that this week, Kubiak, Sherman, and Schaub are working on ways to fix the things that went wrong. And there is lots of stuff for them to fix.

BUT.

That was still one of the best offensive performances we've had in a long time.

And the combination of those two things gives me a lot of hope for this season and for the seasons to come.

But it was just one game and against a team that's not very good. Let's fix those problems and then play better against a better opponent on the road.
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Other than those two LUCKY (Yes, I said lucky because neither should be counted on) plays, our offense didn't score a TD.
"Luck" is the ball bouncing into your player's hands after a fumble. Or that Robinson pick when the ball fell into his hands could be considered "lucky".

But a QB connecting to a Pro Bowl WR is preparation and execution, not "luck". Otherwise, Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison must have the best "luck" in the world!
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The Chiefs killed themselves with some bad play calling and turnovers. They ran the ball well when they ran it (their backs averaged over 4 yards a carry)...but got too cutesypie in their playcalling and Huard had the look of a QB that is trying not to screw up the game (like the Carr led Texans)....I think if they played a bit more smashmouth football the game would have been closer.

True, but we had a pretty good handle on the running game while using generally 7 man fronts. While they ran the ball okay, they weren't effective enough to put us in bad 3rd down situations, nor were they effective enough to open up their passing game.
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Just because the score was 20 to 3 doesn't mean we played a good offensive game.

We had a fumble recovery for a td, thats 7 right there

We also had a 77 yard pass to AJ, thats 7 right there.
14 of our 20 points came on two plays. The fumble recovery I will grant you was something we shouldn't count on every week but the 77 yard touchdown pass was our offense covering the field in one play. Other teams in the NFL do this on a fairly consistent basis and I see no reason why we shouldn't expect the Texans to make "the big play" a regular part of our Sunday experience. Why should our expectations be automatically lower just because we're Texans fans?

For that matter defenses do score. It happens a lot actually and if ours is any good we're going to see it happen here more often than we have in the past.

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Other than those two LUCKY (Yes, I said lucky because neither should be counted on) plays, our offense didn't score a TD.

The 10 minute drive was the only time our offense really looked dominant.
Why can't you accept that our offense "did" score a touchdown when Matt Schaub (QB, he plays offense) threw the ball to Andre Johnson (WR, also a member of the offense) who then took it to he end zone? Why must you attribute our win to "luck"? Doing that makes you no better than the members of the media around the country who discount our accomplishment and just write it off as the Chiefs having a crappy day.
We beat them. It wasn't luck. We controlled the ball.
If you look at the second Texans drive that ended in an interception you can see that the Texans drove the length of the field and that Matt Schaub, first time Texans starter got excited and tried to force a play. It was to be expected and we left 7 points on the field in that drive. He settled down and got better as the day progressed. On the 10 minute drive we stopped at 4th and 1 and chose to kick a FG to put the game out of reach. There's not a doubt in my mind that we could have had that "1" if we had needed it but Gary Kubiak wisely (hard for me to say because I wanted the 7) decided that a FG would do the same job as a TD in that situation and locked in the win. By my estimation we left another 4 points on the field in that drive.
The Chiefs were the ones who got lucky last Sunday. They narrowly missed a 31-3 beating.
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YKW's name and legacy has become so crazy that to even suggest that there was room to improve in Schaub's game is akin to saying your a cowboys/tacks fan.
With 4 turnovers, we should have scored way more than 20 points. THere was a LOT of room for improvement, even though we played an AWESOME game.

Criticism does not equal contempt all the time
Absolutely there is room for improvement and I thought we saw it happening right before our eyes on Sunday. I feel, like many other posters have stated, that Matt Schaub has not shown us his best football yet. I think that the level of play we've seen from him has been very good but that he'll get better as he gets more comfortable with this offense and in our system. I think we all feel like this guy is very good and only going to get better. This is not a veteran QB but a guy starting his third game (and first for this team). He's playing the position better than we've seen it played in a Texans uniform in a very long time. His confidence is visible and he doesn't come back after being pressured and fall to pieces. It's a refreshing thing to see quality QB play.
Criticism does not equal contempt all the time but by the same token Optimism doesn't always indicate a homer take. There's plenty to be positive about right now.
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