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Old 09-10-2007   #1
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Default KC writers are crying about the Mario fumble return

WAAAAHHHH!!!!!

You know what? I don't even disagree with the guy. I don't think the receiver made 'a football move' or whatever - so it's fine to complain about the call - but this guy is saying that it changed the complexion of the game, and that the running game was rendered useless because of it since KC had to try and catch up... and of course ZERO credit is given to the Texans defense. How about "it was a bad call, but the Texans flat out, out-played the Chiefs.

Oh well, whatever. I'm not going to stoop low enough to go to their site and post about it. We won. Let them cry, change their diapers, and show no class like this guy and LJ did. Herm Edwards was clearly not happy about the call, but he has way too much class to cry about it. He just said 'that was the call and there's nothing we can do'.

It just goes to show you what a complete laughing stock the Texans have been nationally. Even the local honk reporters don't want to imagine that their bad football team is worse than our formally terrible team.

Sigh.

Whatever - with winning comes respect, and we're on our way.
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Default Re: KC writers are crying about the Mario fumble return

Thanks for the link. I really did think that was a fumble, not an incomplete pass, but what do the rest of you out there think?
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WAAAAHHHH!!!!!

You know what? I don't even disagree with the guy. I don't think the receiver made 'a football move' or whatever - so it's fine to complain about the call - but this guy is saying that it changed the complexion of the game, and that the running game was rendered useless because of it since KC had to try and catch up... and of course ZERO credit is given to the Texans defense. How about "it was a bad call, but the Texans flat out, out-played the Chiefs.

Oh well, whatever. I'm not going to stoop low enough to go to their site and post about it. We won. Let them cry, change their diapers, and show no class like this guy and LJ did. Herm Edwards was clearly not happy about the call, but he has way too much class to cry about it. He just said 'that was the call and there's nothing we can do'.

It just goes to show you what a complete laughing stock the Texans have been nationally. Even the local honk reporters don't want to imagine that their bad football team is worse than our formally terrible team.

Sigh.

Whatever - with winning comes respect, and we're on our way.
I think the title to the article was "Things That Losers Say"

They would be singing a different tune if Wilson had caught the ball in the end zone and then got it blasted loose. Somehow I think they would be screaming "TOUCHDOWN"!
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Default Re: KC writers are crying about the Mario fumble return

Is there a replay of that particular play? I was too busy celebrating the TD to look at the replay on the big screen.
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Default Re: KC writers are crying about the Mario fumble return

I've read Whitlock's article earlier today, linked over from ESPN's Hashmark's guy. Also read another article by him on FoxSports, trying to explain why he choose the Saints to win in an upset over the Colts and bemoan his past failed relationships with females.

Later I've read from Ric or Roy over on HPF that for 2007 the NFL changed the rules so that this year you no longer need to make a football move for it to be called a catch, only that you have possession and have two feet on the ground. So I guess they can't call bad refereeing for losing this one.

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Default Re: KC writers are crying about the Mario fumble return

The "football move" thing is definitely a strange rule. It's hard to interpret... basically everything depends on what the call on the field is. Had that not been the call on the field, it would have gone KC's way.

Also - RE: "Things That Losers Say" - that is absolutely dead on. LOL
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Default Re: KC writers are crying about the Mario fumble return

lol, thanks for the link, it was a fumble
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Later I've raid from Ric or Roy over on HPF that for 2007 the NFL changed the rules so that this year you no longer need to make a football move for it to be called a catch, only that you have possession and have two feet on the ground. So I guess they can't call bad refereeing for losing this one.
I heard about that too.

You'd think an NFL beat writer would know that before crying about the call in his column.

And he does a lot of national stuff too. For shame.
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Default Re: KC writers are crying about the Mario fumble return

It was a fumble. You either hang onto the ball or you don't. He caught the ball, tucked it, and turned. The hit knocked it loose. To say it wasn't a "football move" is BS, because in reality, if you catch the ball and tuck it away, you're making a football move - rules lawyers be damned.

Some of the rules lawyering that goes on in football retards the progress of the game. Sometimes, it's really that simple - he caught it, he got hit, he lost it. Done.

OD's catch last year was a catch as well. If he had lost it to a hit, it would have been a fumble. It's really not that hard to see or figure out, unless they make it that way.
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Default Re: KC writers are crying about the Mario fumble return

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WAAAAHHHH!!!!!

You know what? I don't even disagree with the guy. I don't think the receiver made 'a football move' or whatever - so it's fine to complain about the call - but this guy is saying that it changed the complexion of the game, and that the running game was rendered useless because of it since KC had to try and catch up... and of course ZERO credit is given to the Texans defense. How about "it was a bad call, but the Texans flat out, out-played the Chiefs.

Oh well, whatever. I'm not going to stoop low enough to go to their site and post about it. We won. Let them cry, change their diapers, and show no class like this guy and LJ did. Herm Edwards was clearly not happy about the call, but he has way too much class to cry about it. He just said 'that was the call and there's nothing we can do'.

It just goes to show you what a complete laughing stock the Texans have been nationally. Even the local honk reporters don't want to imagine that their bad football team is worse than our formally terrible team.

Sigh.

Whatever - with winning comes respect, and we're on our way.
The new nfl rule says its a completion if a receiver has possession with two feet down . sorry ! football move not needed this year .
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Default Re: KC writers are crying about the Mario fumble return

It was a fumble. Not even close. First off, the rule changed. Just need to get two feet planted. Second, even under the old rule, that was a fumble. CLEARLY. It was a desperation move on Herm's part to throw the flag.
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Default Re: KC writers are crying about the Mario fumble return

Not debating the fumble ruling, or the rule change regarding a reception, but does anyone have a link to the new rule? None of the articles I saw mentioned that rule change.
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Default Re: KC writers are crying about the Mario fumble return

I'm pretty sure if the roles were reversed, Texans fans would be complaining about the same thing.

For instance, this thread is instructional. The "complaining" about this play actually evolved as different aspects of the complaints were debunked. Very nice.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31142
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Er, whatever. I'm saying regardless of it being a bad call or not - the writer gave Houston ZERO credit.
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Default Re: KC writers are crying about the Mario fumble return

I thought it was close enough to go either way and personally, I felt like it was probably closer to being an incomplete pass than a catch-turn-fumble.

I'm glad I was wrong but that's the game of football and there have been plenty of times when I felt the exact opposite about a play and believed that we got screwed on the call. It goes both ways and if you watch the game then you know that.
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Default Re: KC writers are crying about the Mario fumble return

I thought he made a football move when he slammed to the turf on his back. Seems like a typical football move to me.
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The Chiefs just got beat...

We were the better team last Sunday....the end.
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You know what? I don't even disagree with the guy. I don't think the receiver made 'a football move' or whatever - so it's fine to complain about the call -
So you're both wrong.
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It was a fumble. You either hang onto the ball or you don't. He caught the ball, tucked it, and turned. The hit knocked it loose. To say it wasn't a "football move" is BS, because in reality, if you catch the ball and tuck it away, you're making a football move - rules lawyers be damned.

Some of the rules lawyering that goes on in football retards the progress of the game. Sometimes, it's really that simple - he caught it, he got hit, he lost it. Done.

OD's catch last year was a catch as well. If he had lost it to a hit, it would have been a fumble. It's really not that hard to see or figure out, unless they make it that way.

Exactly. The guy wasn't hit from behind, he caught it, tucked, and turned. When I was watching I told my buddies that exact same thing. I say "It is close, but the fact that he turned around could be interpreted as a football move."

Also, with what LJ said and now the media acting as if the Texans defense just got lucky...

I like how Herm when asked about these things laughs first and says "If...you can make a lot of if's, but the reality is out on the field."

Of course as a above average coach he isn't going to make excuses for his team. I bet the players that come up and whine to him he would tell them to shut up and play football. You think the play was incomplete, well hold onto the ball and there wouldn't be a fumble in the first place.
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Default Re: KC writers are crying about the Mario fumble return

First....I think it was a fumble. Though I know everyone has a different view of what is and isnt. Looked like a catch to me.

Second, whiny sports writers looking for excuses annoy me. Chiefs were just the lesser team on Sunday. The Chargers, a good team, were victims of the worst missed official call I saw on opening day. The reason San Diego sports writers arent pointing to it big time today is because inspite of that the Chargers came back together and still won the game. Thats how good teams handle adversity.

In other words....get over it.
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