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Old 09-10-2007   #1
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NFL security confiscated a video camera and its tape from a New England Patriots employee on the team's sideline during Sunday's game against the Jets in a suspected spying incident, sources said.


The camera and its tape were placed in a sealed box and forwarded to the league office for investigation, the sources said.

"We don't have any comment," an NFL spokesman said Monday.

The Patriots' cameraman was suspected of aiming his camera at the Jets' defensive coaches who were sending signals to their unit on the field, the sources said. The league also is investigating some radio frequency issues that occurred during the game.
Wow, they did this lst year in Green Bay....

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Default Re: Camera confiscated after claims of Pats spying on Jets

lame. i lost a bit of respect for the pats.
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Yeah, this kind of thing is starting to look bad for them.
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Default Re: Camera confiscated after claims of Pats spying on Jets

HUGE deal. If they were using video cameras to spy on opposing coaches you can expect a SEVERE draft pick penalty possibly a 1st Rounder.
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Who would get the pick? The Jets? LT's claims last year after that playoff game are coming true.
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Default Re: Camera confiscated after claims of Pats spying on Jets

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Who would get the pick? The Jets? LT's claims last year after that playoff game are coming true.
they would forfeit the pick. no compensation for the Jets.
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if they are cheating against the jets, a team they could clearly beat without cheating, then they are a bunch of idiots.
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Default Re: Camera confiscated after claims of Pats spying on Jets

If this is true, they lose a lot of credibility within the league and stand a huge chance of isolating "fans" like me who aren't die hard Patriots fans, just an average joe who enjoys watching them play now and then. They have a good team, no need to resort to classless actions such as that, but I shall wait to judge until all the facts are set straight.
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Default Re: Camera confiscated after claims of Pats spying on Jets

i as have always told ppl and still will say the pats have no class
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Yeah, this kind of thing is starting to look bad for them.
Read further into the story.. the SAME cameraman also had his camera and film taken away from him for doing the same thing at the Green Bay game last year.

Another thing-- the story talks about radio issues... at the Buffalo-New England game last year, the Buffalo coaches complained of "interference" in their link from the coaches box to the sideline last year..

Couldthe Pats been tapping the links?
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Default Re: Camera confiscated after claims of Pats spying on Jets

OK please explain to me how the Patriots could be messing with the communication between the coaches box and the field in the Meadowlands of all places. If it was Foxboro I might be able to see it but at someone elses stadium?

Sounds like the jets are making excuses on this one.
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OK please explain to me how the Patriots could be messing with the communication between the coaches box and the field in the Meadowlands of all places. If it was Foxboro I might be able to see it but at someone elses stadium?

Sounds like the jets are making excuses on this one.
Maybe making an excuse.... but it isn't difficult to jam the radio frequency that goes from the Box direct to the quarterback's helmet.

If the coaches are in close adjoining boxes, all you have to have is a something transmitting on a very close frequency.
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I heard they were playing with RC cars in the coaches box.
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If there is any validity to this, the Commissioner better throw the book at the Pats.

Any hand slaps will have other teams following suit.
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Read further into the story.. the SAME cameraman also had his camera and film taken away from him for doing the same thing at the Green Bay game last year.

Another thing-- the story talks about radio issues... at the Buffalo-New England game last year, the Buffalo coaches complained of "interference" in their link from the coaches box to the sideline last year..

Could the Pats been tapping the links?
They were simply using the Patriot Act...oh wait that wasn't made for their use. Oops. Sorry Belichick.
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i as have always told ppl and still will say the pats have no class
Yes, they're truly a classless organization, top to bottom.

Thing is, we may want to wait until the NFL makes an announcement of some kind on this one, no?

Last year, the Pats were accused of the same thing in Green Bay. Nothing happened as a result. This whole thing was instigated by members of the NY Jets security staff. The league has had the tapes for two days and haven't levied any punishment yet. Doesn't that tell you something?

And even if they are guilty, my understanding is that the penalty is forfeiting a mid or low-round draft pick. Usually the sentence serves the crime -- so the fact that there are no suspensions or fines involved should tell you how the league feels about this sort of "egregious" offense. All teams do it in one way, shape, or form. The Pats might have gotten caught. Simple as that.
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It's the American way these days. Do it until you get caught and then cry like a baby that the other guys are doing it.
This kind of thing disgusts me.
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Default Re: Camera confiscated after claims of Pats spying on Jets

More interesting reading on the Pats' "Get Smart" antics....

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...07&format=text

"For a window into the Patriots' tactics, multiple Packers sources provided a fascinating account of what happened in the 35-0 victory last Nov. 19. A man identifying himself as a Patriots employee asked a security guard if he could shoot footage of Lambeau Field before the game, and permission was granted. Just before the game, he requested to stay on the sidelines to record quarterback Tom Brady for the coaching staff. However, he was soon spotted filming the Packers defense and signaling Patriots coaches. A member of the Packers security staff witnessed the exchange and asked him to leave. He retreated to the tunnel, continued filming, and appeared to be communicating with the coaches via hand signals before being escorted off the field. Asked why the Patriots weren't reported, a Packers executive suggested there was a code of silence regarding such matters, particularly after a blowout. "It bothers you that it's cheating," he said, "but it's not the reason they kicked our (butt)." It's interesting to note a pair of comments after that game. The first came from Packers corner Al Harris, who praised the Patriots coaching staff. "It's almost like they knew what we were doing, you know?" he said. "You have to tip your hat to them. They ran plays designed for us. They ran plays that made us check out of some things. I don't know who calls their plays, but Belichick is pretty good. Honestly, he's pretty good."

Shifty.

I guess my question is: How common is this really? Or do I want to know?

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Yes, they're truly a classless organization, top to bottom.

Thing is, we may want to wait until the NFL makes an announcement of some kind on this one, no?

Last year, the Pats were accused of the same thing in Green Bay. Nothing happened as a result. This whole thing was instigated by members of the NY Jets security staff. The league has had the tapes for two days and haven't levied any punishment yet. Doesn't that tell you something?

And even if they are guilty, my understanding is that the penalty is forfeiting a mid or low-round draft pick. Usually the sentence serves the crime -- so the fact that there are no suspensions or fines involved should tell you how the league feels about this sort of "egregious" offense. All teams do it in one way, shape, or form. The Pats might have gotten caught. Simple as that.
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NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has determined that the New England Patriots violated league rules Sunday when they videotaped defensive signals by the New York Jets' coaches, league sources have told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

NFL security officials confiscated a camera and videotape from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella on the New England sidelines when it was suspected he was recording the Jets' defensive signals. Sources say the visual evidence confirmed the suspicion.

Goodell is considering severe sanctions, including the possibility of docking the Patriots "multiple draft picks" because it is the competitive violation in the wake of a stern warning to all teams since he became commissioner, the sources said. The Patriots have been suspected in previous incidents.

The Patriots will be allowed an opportunity to present their case by Friday, sources said, most likely via the telephone.
Oh yeah, severe action is warrented. Take'em to the wood shed Goodell.
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I cannot believe this. Wow, what an embarassment for the Patriots, their coaches, and their fans.

The NFL should immediately suspend Bellicheck for the season, and make them forfeit their first game. It should go on the schedule as a tie with the Jets


If swinging games by being a ref is lifelong banning
And if simply BETTING on games is a life long ban

Then shouldn't intercepting and relaying all the signals of the opponents, which is clearly cheating, be similarly punnished??

If I was a Jets fan, I would be PISSED OFF
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