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Old 09-06-2007   #1
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Let me start off by saying that I have been pretty critical of Mario this off-season. I was pleased to see him more active in the Cowboy game, but was still left feeling that I wanted to see him be more of a factor. Fairly or unfairly, I want to see him produce like the #1 overall pick and hope one day that as a fan I can stop having to hear that he was one of the worst draft blunders of all time.

All of that being said, look at Reggie Bush's numbers tonight (per ESPN):
12 carries, 38 yards (long of 9) and no TDs. There may have been some receiving yards, but I assume if there were it was less than 47 yards shown on the stat sheet I saw.

I know that one night does not make a career and further that the poor performance of Bush justifies or makes the poor performance of Mario less concerning - but it is interesting to keep these numbers in mind when we evaluate our expectations of Mario. I am not sure what the defensive equivelant of the stats above - but I have a feeling that what ever those numbers are - there would be a thread or two about his play.
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no tds is probably equivellent (mispelled)to no sacks.. yet with what versatility Bush has probably not fair (bush can get Td's for rushing/returning and receiving on TD's)


rushing yards/receiving yards.. equal to tackles/assists (per so many yards)

If one wanted to do that and I haven't a clue on if 1 tackle would equal 20 yards (rushing/receiving) or what.

or even forced TO(fumble,tipped ball for int)

for the record. like you said, one game isn't going to do it...VY,Bush,MW they are going to get shut down from time to time. time will tell

As far as MW, I don't speak for all (obviously) but consistancy is the key (esp for me) and with MW... we need to see that if he goes one on one, he can beat his man a few times(this IS the NFL) or if he gets double teamed , he opens up Demeco,Okoye , etc,etc
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Mario is ready to step up and be looked at as a "good" 1st pick
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It is an interesting discussion, but in my opinion, a fair comparison is not as simple as comparing rushing yards with tackles or TDs with sacks. While there is some value in an offensive weapon acting as a decoy and providing similar benefits that don't show up in the stat sheet - for the most part - offensive players will always have more sexy stats than the D.
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I really don't care if Reggie has 20 total yards next game. I want Mario to produce.

But yeah Reggie looked pretty bad out there. I have been saying "He can't be a decoy for the rest of his career."...

The Saints tried numerous times to use him as a decoy and the Colts didn't bite. I am not saying the rest of the year will be like that for him, but it doesn't matter. Mario starts to produce I could care less what the Golden boy does. I know everyone is going to compare the two, but i'd rather compare Mario to other DEs.
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Whats a trip is until garbage time reggie had 26 yards ruching on 10 carries. I'm one of the few i guess that think Mario will be a very,very good player that wil help elevate the texans defense into elite status. You cant measure a de to a rb by numbers. You can measure Mario's impact by team defense and players around him. I know for a fact that teams slide protection and chip mario with a back. That should free other guys up to make plays. I never thought they should have ever believed the hype on bush. That whole decoy stuff is just a way for espn and nfl network to spray cologne on doo-doo. They scouts or the so called "experts" had people beliveing he was Marshall faulk combined with Tomlinson. I never saw it in college and never saw it in the pro's. Now if you tell me right now he's a playmaker, i can beleive it in moments, but they make it seem like Brees and Duece had nothing to do with the teams offensive success. i mean think about it, if the texans put mathis on the field and run a reverse or fake reverse, the defense will probably bite. The experts used to make it seem like it was because it was all reggie when it really was a misdirection designed and executed. Mario will be fine as will the defense. I just don't know how creative you have to be when the rb is 5 yds behind the qb. If he's that good, just give him the ball.
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who cares about Bush? I mean really...I'd love to see our fans focusing on our team more than revel in the failures of the players we passed since imo that tends to make us look like we have an inferiority complex at times. We need Mario to play well because he is Mario Williams and our team invested $60 million in a sport with a salary cap. I often wonder what lurkers around the league think of us as we seem to discuss VY and RB and how much "they suck" as redundantly as we do.
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who cares about Bush? I mean really...I'd love to see our fans focusing on our team more than revel in the failures of the players we passed since imo that tends to make us look like we have an inferiority complex at times. We need Mario to play well because he is Mario Williams and our team invested $60 million in a sport with a salary cap. I often wonder what lurkers around the league think of us as we seem to discuss VY and RB and how much "they suck" as redundantly as we do.
Hmmm.... In some ways, I prefer it this way. I know you have been to rival message boards. It seems that every one that I visit, the fans seem to be very critical of their own teams. With our attention focused outward, whether it be an inferiority complex or not, we seem to be less critical of our own squad.

The optimism on this board is lightyears ahead of anything I have ever seen. We have had our share of dark times, but at the end of the day, I think we have an amazing fan base.
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Hmmm.... In some ways, I prefer it this way. I know you have been to rival message boards. It seems that every one that I visit, the fans seem to be very critical of their own teams. With our attention focused outward, whether it be an inferiority complex or not, we seem to be less critical of our own squad.

The optimism on this board is lightyears ahead of anything I have ever seen. We have had our dark days, but at the end of the day, I think we have an amazing fan base.
Opinion boards are full of opinion...so yeah, you are going to find tons of critical commentary on football boards....but as I stroll around the league I see different fan mindsets - and it's only my opinion - but I think this kind of stuff doesn't make us look especially confident in ourselves...to each their own though.

I also know that you are correct that much of the stuff I'm talking about is driven by the larger NFL community constantly making fun of the Texans past decisions...so it's understandable to want to tell them to shove it. It doesn't make it less of a nail on the chalkboard type deal for me. I just hope we can find a way to win more games than we lose and actually have a winning streak....a real winning streak. Two in a row doesn't count as a winning streak to me. Five years without a winning streak is just a friggin' long time and a part of why our fans are a bit sensitive.
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Mario is going up against either Damien McIntosh or Will Svitek. Against McIntosh, Mario got his first ever sack and finished with 1.5 sacks for the game (and almost got another). If he goes against Svitek, he's going against a converted DE who has some of the worst footwork in the NFL. Needless to say I'm expecting a solid outing.
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I quit comparing Mario to Bush and Young quite a while ago , and just like someone allready posted, would rather compare him to other DE's. As far as Bush goes though, he is kinda in limbo. As long as Deuce is healthy, Bush will just be an ornament. I watched the game and in all honesty I thought Bush was wide open several times but Brees never threw him the ball unless it was a designed play. I think Mario will do fine this year once he gets his confidence up and gets that first big play out of the way, and I think the Chiefs are gonna be vulnerable to pass rush all game long.
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who cares about Bush? I mean really...I'd love to see our fans focusing on our team more than revel in the failures of the players we passed since imo that tends to make us look like we have an inferiority complex at times. We need Mario to play well because he is Mario Williams and our team invested $60 million in a sport with a salary cap. I often wonder what lurkers around the league think of us as we seem to discuss VY and RB and how much "they suck" as redundantly as we do.
For the record, the purpose of my post was not to bad mouth Reggie Bush - it was to discuss the expectations that we place on Mario.
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Mario is a starter on the Texans and he has a gameplan to execute. I expect a win on Sunday by the Texans. It really is that simple unless you base performance on statistics.
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IMO, neither Mario, nor Bush were worthy of a #1 overall pick. You could make an argument for VY, I suppose, though that wouldn't have been my pick. There were plenty of people saying that Bush wasn't going to be a good RB in the NFL. I labeled him the next Eric Metcalf while he was still at USC (not that that's a bad thing, but not #1 worthy). But, since none of those people were named Mel Kiper or whoever the hell works at ESPN, the fan base, for the most part, didn't want to listen. Mario is a project - not worth the #1 pick, but teams take those type of guys too early all the time.

As long as the fan base allows the media to dictate their expectations, they'll be disappointed, IMO.
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I don't hold the no. 1 overall pick against Mario. It was our FO decision and not his.

But, I don't think it's too much to hope for that he's at least an adequate DE. I'm not asking for superstar or Pro Bowler, but to just be an adequate pass rusher that can occasionally make some plays. I don't think it's too much to ask.

Hopefully we see some signs of it this Sunday. Time will tell.
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who cares about Bush? I mean really...I'd love to see our fans focusing on our team more than revel in the failures of the players we passed since imo that tends to make us look like we have an inferiority complex at times.
I agree with you V in a sense, but on the other hand this organzation and its
fans (that would be us) have been not just criticized but ridiculed continually and repeatedly ever since the 2006 Draft for our #1 pick and for who we didn't pick. And I don't know about you, but I for one tend to resent that kind of crap after awhile. That makes this situation a little different.
But to the subject of this thread. I'm anxious and excited about how Mario and the rest of the DLine looks. Kubiak has sacrificed heavy for light and quick, as TJ will probably be the only starter in the DLine who is at or about 300 and we've got a big horse whos gonna be running up the middle a whole lot against us on Sunday.
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who cares about Bush? I mean really...I'd love to see our fans focusing on our team more than revel in the failures of the players we passed since imo that tends to make us look like we have an inferiority complex at times. We need Mario to play well because he is Mario Williams and our team invested $60 million in a sport with a salary cap. I often wonder what lurkers around the league think of us as we seem to discuss VY and RB and how much "they suck" as redundantly as we do.
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Who cares about Bush in regards to Mario. I don't want Bush to suck to somehow validate our passing on him. I want Mario to do well so that he validates our selecting him.

well back to work. here is hoping that the Faggies lose this weekend.
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fans (that would be us) have been not just criticized but ridiculed continually and repeatedly ever since the 2006 Draft for our #1 pick and for who we didn't pick. And I don't know about you, but I for one tend to resent that kind of crap after awhile. That makes this situation a little different.
But to the subject of this thread. I'm anxious and excited about how Mario and the rest of the DLine looks. Kubiak has sacrificed heavy for light and quick, as TJ will probably be the only starter in the DLine who is at or about 300 and we've got a big horse whos gonna be running up the middle a whole lot against us on Sunday.
That's why I hope Kubes doesn't shy away from pulling Okoye and sticking Maddox in there. Nothing against Amobe, but this game has "we need run stuffers" all over it.
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IMO, neither Mario, nor Bush were worthy of a #1 overall pick. You could make an argument for VY, I suppose, though that wouldn't have been my pick.
So you'd have taken D'Brick??

Maybe AJ Hawk??

Just for arguments sake, let's say you took D'Brick(for all I know, there may not have been a true #1 in that draft... No other team saw the value in trading up, so that is very plausible).

But let's say you've got D'Brick, Pitts, Flanagan, McKinney, & Wiegart starting for you in '6... I doubt our pass protection would have been any better, because you've only got one person on that line worth a damn(Pitts), no help from the backfield, and only adequate help from the TEs. No help whatsoever from the QB position.

Same with Mario. I think he's just as ready for the NFL as D'Brick(when they were drafted)... But he was put on a line that was built to stop the run, and he was supposed to be the Pass rushing specialist. Of the front 7 we started in '06, only Mario, Demeco & Greenwood(my opinion) were worth a damn.

Yeah, Demeco had a great year, but do you think he would have if we had started Weaver & Babin all year??

I don't think so.
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The best Ol the Chiefs had retired . That's two really good OL in two years .

Will Shields is probably a HOFer so before I worry about how will we ever stop LJ ... LJ better hope he has some holes to run through .
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