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Old 08-29-2007   #41
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Depending on the juniors who choose to come out there will be a few of them on the board in '08. So do you gamble on Spencer's recovery or do you wade in one one ? Don't nessecarily have to be a first round guy or an OLT. But I do expcet them to plug one of the three holes on our the o-line with a high end guy. Worst case scenario for me would be the group does come together and it gets pushed back onto the back burner one more time. There will be a lot of temptation on that board. The fact is they should be grooming Pitts' replacement now. And someone is going to have to decide whether or not Winston is going to make it this next off season.
Look at your LTs on this team. No matter how Salaam does, he is not the man for the future. He is earning his check and is a stand in. Black has shown no reason for us to feel warm and cozy. Spencer comes back or not we need another LT. We should draft best one available and hope we have enough to do the job in 08. Problem is we still look to need a FS and CB going into next season. Now a one, third and fourth based on what we have seen with Smith's draft ability (which is one the scouts actually) could solve our problems; but I think free agency will be used for one spot at least.
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Look at your LTs on this team. No matter how Salaam does, he is not the man for the future. He is earning his check and is a stand in. Black has shown no reason for us to feel warm and cozy. Spencer comes back or not we need another LT. We should draft best one available and hope we have enough to do the job in 08. Problem is we still look to need a FS and CB going into next season. Now a one, third and fourth based on what we have seen with Smith's draft ability (which is one the scouts actually) could solve our problems; but I think free agency will be used for one spot at least.
The Texans having big bucks next season should provide for at least one premiere player, likely a linebacker or d-back, IMO. But we're still 16 games away from any such decision.
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The Texans having big bucks next season should provide for at least one premiere player, likely a linebacker or d-back, IMO. But we're still 16 games away from any such decision.
How can we justify going for a LB? I see that as one of our deepest spots. As LTs are solid in draft, we should go for that imo in first round so this priority position is locked up one way or the other. In 3rd, we can go for FS or CB best avail. Personally I think a strong FS will allow us to get by with what we have at CB for another year. i am ot clear on DB available in off season?
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How can we justify going for a LB? I see that as one of our deepest spots. As LTs are solid in draft, we should go for that imo in first round so this priority position is locked up one way or the other. In 3rd, we can go for FS or CB best avail. Personally I think a strong FS will allow us to get by with what we have at CB for another year. i am ot clear on DB available in off season?
Even though a position's deep in depth, doesn't mean there's quality NFL talent throughout.

IMO, we do need a LB. As well as a CB, FS, LT, C and eventually another RB. There's still several holes in the team. Having said that, there's still plenty of reason to be optimistic about this season. There have been many teams go deep in the playoffs still having question marks at multiple positions.
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Let's not say that Spencer's not going to play again just because we've been screwed in the past by Boselli, Joppru, and DD/DW. Spencer has a different injury than any of them, and his recovery is completely independent of the recovery of any of the others. I know it's easy (and tempting) to say, "we've heard this song before," but unless I hear some actual medical evidence that he's not on the road to recovery, I'm still going to be optimistic that he can come back.

Now, that said, I definitely agree that his injury should not preclude us from making moves at LT. If he's able to come back and play this year, we will get a good feel for if he's a long term solution (although I would like more depth at the LT spot... no one right now gives me a warm fuzzy). If he can't come back, then we should also go after an LT (worse things have happened than having two).
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Let's not say that Spencer's not going to play again just because we've been screwed in the past by Boselli, Joppru, and DD/DW. Spencer has a different injury than any of them, and his recovery is completely independent of the recovery of any of the others. I know it's easy (and tempting) to say, "we've heard this song before," but unless I hear some actual medical evidence that he's not on the road to recovery, I'm still going to be optimistic that he can come back.
Unfortunately, Spencer's injury doesn't have a high recovery rate. IIRC, it's at about 20-30% or something like that. Just the fact that he's able to walk without a cane should be seen as something of a success.
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Depending on the juniors who choose to come out there will be a few of them on the board in '08. So do you gamble on Spencer's recovery or do you wade in one one ? Don't nessecarily have to be a first round guy or an OLT. But I do expcet them to plug one of the three holes on our the o-line with a high end guy. Worst case scenario for me would be the group does come together and it gets pushed back onto the back burner one more time. There will be a lot of temptation on that board. The fact is they should be grooming Pitts' replacement now. And someone is going to have to decide whether or not Winston is going to make it this next off season.
Our line isn't in as dismal shape as its sometimes advertised. Still, I agree, the "solid" guys now are getting along in years so that says we need to draft/sign stud O-Linemen next year and the year after to prepare them to step in.
- Salaam is playing fairly well now, in his, what?, 10th year. So now, or next year at the latest, draft a youngster next yr to take Salaam's place. I'm not betting on Spencer ever being completely right again.
- Winston seems to be doing fine at RT. Let's hope he keeps growing and we're set there for the next decade or so.
- I suspect that "Kasey Studdard" is being groomed as Pitts/Weary's replacement unit.
- Brandon Frye will likely spend this year on the practice squad and is probably going to end up being a guard or RT. He's supposedly the kind of athletic O-lineman Kubiak seeks.
- Chris White is young and on the rise; he could replace Flana-Kinney at center in the next couple of years.
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I don't know about anyone else, but I find this whole finger-pointing blame game to be silly and stupid. Ron Dayne didn't mean to hurt Spencer on that play. And Spencer didn't mean to put himself in a position to get hurt by Dayne.
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There are getting to be a lot of taboo subjects on this board.

Is there a place where I can list the posts I don't want to see any more? I usually just ignore them, but it might be simpler if everyone just posted what I wanted to see.
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Or on third and long, with Spencer being bull rushed, where were Daynes eye's ?

I'd assume looking for a hole in the line and looking at the defense, not looking at the ground three feet in front of him. I'm just saying Dayne doesn't need to be tarred and feathered over this.


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How can we justify going for a LB? I see that as one of our deepest spots. As LTs are solid in draft, we should go for that imo in first round so this priority position is locked up one way or the other. In 3rd, we can go for FS or CB best avail. Personally I think a strong FS will allow us to get by with what we have at CB for another year. i am ot clear on DB available in off season?
I'm going on the huge assumption that the team won't hire a quarterback, running back, or lineman. JMO, but I don't think linemen fair that well when giong through free agency. It's just better to build your own blocker. Quarterbacks, running backs, and wide receivers should be set, but we'll see - especially when it comes to wide receivers. That leaves linebackers and d-backs. Both seem to fly around during the offseason, and I know of at least one linebacker who will be looking for a new home (Briggs). Not saying the Texans would have any interest in him. Just pointing out that d-backs and backers will be available. It will be an easy way for the Texans to fill a major hole so that they can address other issues (say a tackle, center, or another d-back) with the draft.
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There are getting to be a lot of taboo subjects on this board.

Is there a place where I can list the posts I don't want to see any more? I usually just ignore them, but it might be simpler if everyone just posted what I wanted to see.
I'm all for a stop to the Carr debate. I don't want to see the 2006 draft re-hashes either, or the coulda-been arguments.
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I think LT, CB and FS are easily our top weak areas. Now Faggin can step up this year and fill that need but I think he is a nickle CB. Perhaps Bennett will come along. John Mclain said that he has been improving, so we might not have to address that with a high pick & as I said, I'm not sure if any CB free agent will be available. If we can draft a solid player at FS that would ease the CB pressure also. I'm not too certain how Brandon Harrison will do. I still think LT is the place to go with #1 pick regardless if Spencer returns healthy or not and Kubes has said twice this week that Spencer might not be back this season.
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I think LT, CB and FS are easily our top weak areas. Now Faggin can step up this year and fill that need but I think he is a nickle CB. Perhaps Bennett will come along. John Mclain said that he has been improving, so we might not have to address that with a high pick & as I said, I'm not sure if any CB free agent will be available. If we can draft a solid player at FS that would ease the CB pressure also. I'm not too certain how Brandon Harrison will do. I still think LT is the place to go with #1 pick regardless if Spencer returns healthy or not and Kubes has said twice this week that Spencer might not be back this season.

I'm inclined to go with best player available with the first round pick... with $30 million in cap room, we can fill needs in free agency (much like last year) and then draft for value.

let's not forget we'll need a young RB next season.
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I'm inclined to go with best player available with the first round pick... with $30 million in cap room, we can fill needs in free agency (much like last year) and then draft for value.

let's not forget we'll need a young RB next season.
Not trying to be argumentative but let's look at it. We are not imo at the point where we can take best player now, we need to shore up our weak areas as all three are significant. 2008 free agents that Texans might be interested in 1)RB Michael Turner UFA Chargers 25 yoa probably a bidding war. 2) LT Max Starks UFA Steelers 6'7" 337 solid but not a super star. Will probably require a high $ package. We've got it but will he be worth it? 3) Mike Doss Safety Vikings.

I usually prefer a young free agent that you have some sort of NFL history to base a decision on compared to draft. However, you have to gamble a lot of $ as you do with day one picks. For another year, I am saying we need to get the LT resolved. Is that Starks? Maybe. With our new QB and offense, we might not need a pro bowler just a solid guy that gets the job done(see Matt Schaub). Black will make this team and that is a shame. Spencer probably will not be back this season. That is a lot of pressure on Salaam. Do you make an offer now to Steelers for Starks? Does Pittsburgh want to keep him? In my mind, I go for a LT in first round as there should be one available when we pick. In 3rd, we can go for best available CB or Safety IF we have to. Maybe Bennett wins the starter role as I predict. Now we have LT in first, no need for a #2 CB so we can draft FS in 3rd or a RB if we can get a FS agent. We have done pretty well drafting RB on day two. Green looks good now but will he at the end of 16 games? Maybe Walker does a Jacoby and nails down the RB position for 08. At least with our picks and $30 million we should be able to address our pressing needs.
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1)RB Michael Turner UFA Chargers 25 yoa probably a bidding war. 2) LT Max Starks UFA Steelers 6'7" 337 solid but not a super star. Will probably require a high $ package. We've got it but will he be worth it? 3) Mike Doss Safety Vikings.
1. He will get some decent money next year. And we just paid decent money this year for Green. I see a RB in the draft.

2. I don't know much about Starks. If Spencer cannot play this year, they will have to do something.

3. Doss would be a nice pickup.
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The Texans having big bucks next season should provide for at least one premiere player, likely a linebacker or d-back, IMO. But we're still 16 games away from any such decision.
Well Asante Samuels franchise number is around 7.9 million. So, times that by four or five years plus 10% ,then figure your signing bonus.....top flight corner isn't going to be cheap. Bennit needs to get on a weight program and get up to speed PDQ ,I'm thinking.
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Seth Wand was just released by the Tacks. His release from the Texans was still somewhat puzzling to many.........performance? personal conflict?.........lots of stories were out there, but nothing solid. Lots of people thought that he could still develop into a decent LT.

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Seth Was was just released by the Tacks. His release from the Texans was still somewhat puzzling to many.........performance? personal conflict?.........lots of stories were out there, but nothing solid. Lots of people thought that he could still develop into a decent LT.
There was no freakin' personal conflict with whoever. If Wand was anything he was a solid citizen.

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The team decided to go another direction.
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