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Old 08-18-2007   #81
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Now that is just plain silly.
What is silly about a player playing a half of a game like crap and expecting the coaching staff to be unhappy about it. if they aren't they are idiots. And don't give me that garbage about they know more than everyone else either.
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I agree with xtru, I've been a fan of Mario being a strongside DE for sometime now. He hasn't demonstrated the pass rushing skills to be the weakside DE. Bump Mario to strongside and put in Kalu or Babin in his spot at weakside. Putting him in the position that's supposed to generate our most consistent pressure only magnifies his inadequacies. I think he could make a very good strongside DE anchoring the line and hopefully eventually providing *some* pass rush.

It's disturbing how little production we're getting out of an area we've spent so much on the last four years. The only positive I've taken from that group is that after a couple years of mediocre play, Babin and TJ (mainly Babin) seem to have finally taken a step forward.

I want to see a healthy season out of Mario before I panic, but I'm definitely worried at this point. Okoye isn't playing well but the guy's 20 years old. He's got a couple years before I expect really big things from him.
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too bad mario isn't Carr or our defense would have a bunch of sacks
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So...what are you saying? Proper spelling and grammar would help. Capitalization is espcially helpful. Incompelete sentences are baffling.
Don't be stupid, this isn't a spelling bee. We are talking about football where guys are trying to knock the heck out of each other. I am sick of this team going down the toilet since it started and a bunch of people saying its okay. It's time the Texans stood up to be counted. BTW, how many of the players would write a paragraph grammatically correct? I suppose that is more important than winning games.
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Ai'nt nuttin rong wit da playas rightin.
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BTW, how many of the players would write a paragraph grammatically correct?
I know one that wouldn't, Vince " Mr. Wonderlic" Young.
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He spells it "wonder lick".
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Calling people stupid will have you shot down in a hurry, bub. State your case so it's understandable.

Last time I checked, most NFL players weren't on their MBs. After playing a lousy game, they were getting chewed up.

We know the Texans haven't been stellar of late. They've never been stellar. At least pose a point so it can be addressed instead of having us speculate as to your meaning. Unless your point is that we need to win. I think we're all on the same page there.
"So...what are you saying? Proper spelling and grammar would help. Capitalization is espcially helpful. Incompelete sentences are baffling."

You called me stupid with that quote. or were you just trying to be superior, bub?

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The problem is that those guys weren't the #1 pick. I'm not here to hammer Mario but for every person that points out that Bruce Smith and others didn't kill it their first season, there is another side that shows that Kearse and Freeney and Merriman and even Ware to some extent that made plays their first year. Of course people then bring up injuries. I guess what I'm worried about is the same thing people were worried about scouting him..his motor. I saw some plays today where he was pushed back to where the LBs were and wasn't even 5 yards from the play. I'm ready to see the #1 guy blow by someone and get in the QBs head. I'm just giving my assessment here.
Well it was a little thingy...didn't matter much....on the fourth and one, Maddox stuffed Al Johnson and made his gonads retreat back up into his body cavity. 'Ol Al will be seaching for his spenter for a few days. Maddox and Mario held the point with two guys driving into Mario. Now , Demeeeco and Clark are getting all the gravy from that play. But Maddox and Mario held the point. They turned the RBs shoulder pads. As far as your instant gradifacation is concerned, they guy is still a babe and he is husseling every play. What I can not for the life of me understand is why we can hold our water and wait for Babins and T.J. to develope , but Mario has to be Reggie White out of the box. You wanna worry about something on the defensive side, worry about four FF on the ground and no one gets close to the recovery. Vincent plays for the Titans and Reggie plays for the Saints. All the banging in the world on Mario isn't going to change those two facts. He'll emerge when he emerges.
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Well it was a little thingy...didn't matter much....on the fourth and one, Maddox stuffed Al Johnson and made his gonads retreat back up into his body cavity. 'Ol Al will be seaching for his spenter for a few days. Maddox and Mario held the point with two guys driving into Mario. Now , Demeeeco and Clark are getting all the gravy from that play. But Maddox and Mario held the point. They turned the RBs shoulder pads. As far as your instant gradifacation is concerned, they guy is still a babe and he is husseling every play. What I can not for the life of me understand is why we can hold our water and wait for Babins and T.J. to develope , but Mario has to be Reggie White out of the box. You wanna worry about something on the defensive side, worry about four FF on the ground and no one gets close to the recovery. Vincent plays for the Titans and Reggie plays for the Saints. All the banging in the world on Mario isn't going to change those two facts. He'll emerge when he emerges.
I understand what you are saying but you are barking up the wrong tree. I'm not sitting here yelling "bust." I'm trying to explain what you get when you take a guy #1 overall. 1) I'm not sure on the hustling. Do I think he is jaking it?I'm not going to say that but there were questions about his motor since NC St. So I'd like to see some full games in yr 2 and see what he has. 2) I never said anything about Babin or TJ. I think Babin has been horrible for what Charlie gave up but will be happy is he has a breakout year. I'm concerned TJ had to have a coach threaten to cut him to get him to turn it around. 3) My thread had nothing to do with VY or Reggie. You just have to realize that your assessment might make alot of sense for the 17th guy taken in the 1st round but when you take a guy #1 overall, you are expecting to see plays, not someone that can spend a career holding the line. The reasoning behind his pick was "we are getting torched in the secondary and having a guy who can pressure the QB can change that." Right now, we aren't getting close to that. So I'd like to see more. That isn't a sin.
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The problem I'm having is that Mario hasn't WOWed me at all. Not last year and certainly not this year either. Yes, I give him a little bit of a pass on last year because of the injury, but I expected to see signs of brilliance this preseason. I haven't seen anything from him. If Mario had one play were he really gave chase to the QB or stuffed the run, just something I could cheer, I’d feel much better about him.

And, as far as Bust talk goes, well, he's not a bust, yet, but the word is starting to linger in the back of my mind.
No arguements here. All I can say is that I will withhold judgments until after year 3. Last year with the bouncing around and playing all 4 positions, thats just crazy. Hopefully this year he'll be able to concentrate on learning and doing one thing well; rush the passer from one spot. If what we saw last year and then in these two preseason games is any indication then we screwed up. Until next year is over I'm not going to say that.

Good luck Mario, we the fans/team/city need you.
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Some folks are just looking to throw Mario under the bus, and I think it still goes back to them not getting who they wanted in last years draft.

Let's give him some regular season playing time and see how he's progressed since last year.

We won the game...both sides of the ball looked good...let's feel good about that!
What are u smoking? Our defense was in disarray the entire game and MW & AO were total non-factors when they were in the game. Of course, we should give them time to develop but, they should also show flashes of the promised greatness and that is not happening. Now, it is not their fault that we drafted them as high as we did. So, the disappointment should be pointed at the FO.
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What are u smoking? Our defense was in disarray the entire game and MW & AO were total non-factors when they were in the game. Of course, we should give them time to develop but, they should also show flashes of the promised greatness and that is not happening. Now, it is not their fault that we drafted them as high as we did. So, the disappointment should be pointed at the FO.
It takes time for young D-Linemen to develop. The Texans have drafted the youngest player in 2 consecutive drafts, now. It should not be expected that these young players be dominant immediatly.
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What are u smoking? Our defense was in disarray the entire game and MW & AO were total non-factors when they were in the game. Of course, we should give them time to develop but, they should also show flashes of the promised greatness and that is not happening. Now, it is not their fault that we drafted them as high as we did. So, the disappointment should be pointed at the FO.
How can there be disapointment after 3 quarters of NFL football for AO and a year for MW? Mario's lack of "WOW" factor I understand somewhat. But AO? Come on.
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It takes time for young D-Linemen to develop. The Texans have drafted the youngest player in 2 consecutive drafts, now. It should not be expected that these young players be dominant immediatly.
I didn't say they are supposed to be dominant .... just show us some flashes.
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How can there be disapointment after 3 quarters of NFL football for AO and a year for MW? Mario's lack of "WOW" factor I understand somewhat. But AO? Come on.
I see, so our #1 picks are not supposed to show us ANYTHING for several years and then miraculously they are going to become impact players. I'm glad nobody has told Jacoby Jones that.

Also, I don't think Adam Carriker is subscribing to that hyposthesis, and neither is Patrick Willis.
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I see, so our #1 picks are not supposed to show us ANYTHING for several years and then miraculously they are going to become impact players. I'm glad nobody has told Jacoby Jones that.

Also, I don't think Adam Carriker is subscribing to that hyposthesis, and neither is Patrick Willis.
Jacoby Jones is a WR/PR not a DE or a DT.
Patrick Willis is a LB not a DE or a DT.
Adam Carriker is a DT but he is the exception so far in preseason at DT and not the rule.
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