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Old 08-18-2007   #61
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The reason is because Dline stats are hard to come by. You can't play 15 plays as a Dline and expect 3 tackles and a sack... Some DTs get 3 Ts a game, if you are then you have around 48 tackles for the year...which is a lot for a DT. Compare that to the amount of tkls a LB gets...

A DE is having a good game if he's got 3 tackles in a sack...that is in a WHOLE game. So I am just wondering why expect Mario to have any stats after the time he has played?

Even Kubes said his play would eventually show in the stats had he played the whole game...that is why we need to wait for the regular season.
That's the problem with looking at stats....It leads you to believe Mario and Julius Peppers are on the same level...LOL @ Stats...



Trust your eyes...Mario gets no pressure...He uses no moves...No burst...He doesn't look much different from last year guys....Maybe a bit slimmer, but as far as the playing goes he's still struggling...

Either Mario should be a Strong side DE, or he needs to wake up and use his abilities....He may never develop that ummph that a pass rusher has and that'd be fine if he were a LDE...But he's not...He's at RDE...

If Weaver comes back and is in the starting line-up then our pressure will look worse...you guys do realize that right? The best thing for us to do would be to leave AW on the bench and just play un-conventionally with Babin or Kalu on the Left side...And some how we gotta work T.J in there to see what he can do....
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Did he wow anyone? NO.

Is he a bust? Too early to tell.
The problem I'm having is that Mario hasn't WOWed me at all. Not last year and certainly not this year either. Yes, I give him a little bit of a pass on last year because of the injury, but I expected to see signs of brilliance this preseason. I haven't seen anything from him. If Mario had one play were he really gave chase to the QB or stuffed the run, just something I could cheer, I’d feel much better about him.

And, as far as Bust talk goes, well, he's not a bust, yet, but the word is starting to linger in the back of my mind.
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That's the problem with looking at stats....It leads you to believe Mario and Julius Peppers are on the same level...LOL @ Stats...



Trust your eyes...Mario gets no pressure...He uses no moves...No burst...He doesn't look much different from last year guys....Maybe a bit slimmer, but as far as the playing goes he's still struggling...

Either Mario should be a Strong side DE, or he needs to wake up and use his abilities....He may never develop that ummph that a pass rusher has and that'd be fine if he were a LDE...But he's not...He's at RDE...

If Weaver comes back and is in the starting line-up then our pressure will look worse...you guys do realize that right? The best thing for us to do would be to leave AW on the bench and just play un-conventionally with Babin or Kalu on the Left side...And some how we gotta work T.J in there to see what he can do....

Yeah his stats right now are the same as Peppers...but they were not in the regular season...

The point is to wait till the regular season, how hard is that? Its coming up.

Look at a lot of the good DEs stats in preseason...they are pretty similar. And the thread is blaming Mario for not having any in preseason and the reason is because it takes a full game for DE to have any stats at all.

You say the problem with stats is that they lead you to beleive that MArio and Peppers are on the same level...no they do not. Peppers had 13 last season and Mario had 4.5...how is that similar?
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Yeah his stats right now are the same as Peppers...but they were not in the regular season...

The point is to wait till the regular season, how hard is that? Its coming up.

Look at a lot of the good DEs stats in preseason...they are pretty similar. And the thread is blaming Mario for not having any in preseason and the reason is because it takes a full game for DE to have any stats at all.

You say the problem with stats is that they lead you to beleive that MArio and Peppers are on the same level...no they do not. Peppers had 13 last season and Mario had 4.5...how is that similar?

Wow...



Just do me a favor. Watch Mario play and then watch a player who you'd consider to be average that plays the same DE position.

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I'm starting to think Mario is a RDE, which is really sad considering.
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I find joy in analyzing players performances...Nothing more nothing less...

For instance...If you go back and look at some of Travis Johnsons' pass rush moves you will be very imressed....He even had one play where he faked liked he was jumping up to bat a pass down and threw his hands in the air...The offensive lineman reacted and kind of stood up a bit TJ ripped under him and hit the QB as he threw...He had some very nice moves today and was really active...Also Kasey Studdard looked borderline amazing...Both in pass pro and in run blocking...I liked all the RB's...Morlon still sucked IMO...We gotta a problem with our safeties...

BUT this IS a (misdirected) Mario Williams thread...

Who'd have ever thunk to find critique of mario in here ?

Thats very good to hear about Johnson and Studdard.
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Maybe he should try the basketball shooting move, lol.
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Just do me a favor. Watch Mario play and then watch a player who you'd consider to be average that plays the same DE position.

Use your eyes, trust your gut.
The thing is man, Mario did not play a full game. So you can't properly judge him on a few plays.

Kubes said last week that his play would show in stats had he played the full game...which is why we are going to have to wait and see what happens in the regular season.

That is all I have been saying. All I am saying is we should wait.

I am not saying he played well. I am not saying he played horrible. I am saying it is better to just wait than to pass him off as anything because if the contrary happens, you'll look like a fool.
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The thing is man, Mario did not play a full game. So you can't properly judge him on a few plays.

Kubes said last week that his play would show in stats had he played the full game...which is why we are going to have to wait and see what happens in the regular season.

That is all I have been saying. All I am saying is we should wait.

I am not saying he played well. I am not saying he played horrible. I am saying it is better to just wait than to pass him off as anything because if the contrary happens, you'll look like a fool.

I don't need to do that. I can look at the guy and tell he's not playing well.

Stop feeding me this non-sense about how he really is, but he just hasn't played a full game and he will miraculously start playing ball "when it really counts"...ball players play ball....

You're in denial. His play was borderline terrible.
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I don't need to do that. I can look at the guy and tell he's not playing well.

Stop feeding me this non-sense about how he really is, but he just hasn't played a full game and he will miraculously start playing ball "when it really counts"...ball players play ball....

You're in denial. His play was borderline terrible.
I am in denial about what?

I never said he played well...where are you getting this from. What post did I say "Mario played well today."

Where did I say this? I am confused.
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I can see that from the stats.
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I can see that from the stats.
I didn't bring up stats. If you want to, trust me I can.

The problem is the thread title indicates that the Mario having no stats are a problem in the preseason.

Yet look at the stats for DEs in the preseason around the league...you are not going to find many numbers.

So I countered with a post saying basically how do you expect a DE to have any stats after playing what about 15-20 snaps? He's lucky to get 3 tkls and a sack for a full game.

Then Tru brings up that the stats would indicate that Peppers and Mario are on the same level... no they do not because if you look at the Regular Season stats it would show that Peppers is a much better DE than Mario....
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Thanks for the recap.

If you do that every time I make a smarta@# remark that's nothing more than a feeble attempt at humour, you will be typing an awful lot.
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Thanks for the recap.

If you do that every time I make a smarta@# remark that's nothing more than a feeble attempt at humour, you will be typing an awful lot.
Nah its okay, I actually enjoy typing and writing.

Some days I just have a urge to write something or type something. Then I type fast(or I try) so I tend to make TONS of typos.
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I taped the game and just watched every down that Mario played more than once. The coaches are not going to be pleased no matter what the coach speak says. He was thrown around like a rag doll and was never once anywhere near doing anything. He spent half his time on the ground. Yes he was held a few times but it wouldn't have made a difference because he was already out of the play. A cardboard cutout would have done just as much. I want Mario to play well but he didn't. He played plenty tonight and didn't do anything. My wife said everytime they touched him he fell down (which is an exaggeration but he sure spent alot of time on his backside.) You would expect him to have had a couple good moments. Before the apologists bust my chops, please watch the game again and tell me where the above is untrue rather than spouting out the party line.
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I don't think I can make the bars work again.
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wow, 75+ posts in a matter of hours. seems like Mario's suckitude is the new topic du jour since ChoirBoy got sent packing.

i will withhold judgement till we see him during the regular season, but I have to admit he looks like total garbage out there. just piss poor effort and piss poor results. he better fix things and fix them fast. If Kubiak says he was pleased with his performance, I think the dude got a frontal lobe lobotomy.

at least Schaubbie looked crisp, Dunta looked like a man on a mission, and that kid Jacoby looks like a real deal diamond in the rough, courtesy of RS.
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Before the apologists bust my chops, please watch the game again and tell me where the above is untrue rather than spouting out the party line.
Have not seen many, if any, apologists around here for Mario. You do not have to watch the game again, if one watched it live to know he did not perform up to expectations for the fans, including me. What matters is if he met expectations for the staff.
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Have not seen many, if any, apologists around here for Mario. You do not have to watch the game again, if one watched it live to know he did not perform up to expectations for the fans, including me. What matters is if he met expectations for the staff.
If he met expectations for the staff, they don't expect to win any games this year.
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If he met expectations for the staff, they don't expect to win any games this year.
Now that is just plain silly.
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