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Old 08-18-2007   #41
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But, But, But....They were getting held!

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Go back and watch the game and then tell me that Babin and TJ weren't being held. I agree that they got more pressure but they were being held at other times as well.
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Not trying to defend Mario, but a player similar to his physical attributes, Julius Peppers (who I might add has been in the league a lot longer) put up Mario-type numbers last night.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season...&game_id=29471

It was interesting to me to see one of the elite pass rushers in the league be a no-show. Though sadly for Mario, Peppers has shown what he can do in the regular season.

Maybe Mario is unmotivated in preseason, maybe he really is a bust, but I find it hard to label him a true bust until after year 3.
This isn't going to work here man. I have been saying this since last year and especially last week.

I think it is because our fanbase in general is impatient and tired of losing. As I am, so the pressure on Mario is tremendous especially since we skipped on two other phenominal players.

No one wants to wait for the regular season.
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Mario did not do squat today, that is a fact in my eyes. Are you saying that he did?
I mean't that you're not a newbie in that you should know by now how it works around here. If a player sucks, we criticize. That doesn't mean we don't see what the rest of the team is doing, or how well they are doing.
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Some folks are just looking to throw Mario under the bus, and I think it still goes back to them not getting who they wanted in last years draft.

Let's give him some regular season playing time and see how he's progressed since last year.

We won the game...both sides of the ball looked good...let's feel good about that!
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This isn't going to work here man. I have been saying this since last year and especially last week.

I think it is because our fanbase in general is impatient and tired of losing. As I am, so the pressure on Mario is tremendous especially since we skipped on two other phenominal players.

No one wants to wait for the regular season.
I agree about the impatient about losing part, even as bad as the Browns were since they have come back in 1999 they were to the playoffs with Tim Couch in what year 3? So after 5 years and a 7-9 record is frustrating.

Mario has shown glimpses "allegedly" in practice when he is angry so I don't want to write him off completely. However, after the fiasco with Carr, giving him so many opportunities to prove himself as a #1 overall pick, and continually failing to get the job done. It seems that the leash is even shorter with Williams, byy the point you made, of the passing of Bush and Young.
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Some folks are just looking to throw Mario under the bus, and I think it still goes back to them not getting who they wanted in last years draft.
BULLCHIT!!! He didn't do squat out there today. That's all I look at.

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We won the game...both sides of the ball looked good...let's feel good about that!
We won a preseason game...BFD! And only one side of the ball looked good.
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Some folks are just looking to throw Mario under the bus, and I think it still goes back to them not getting who they wanted in last years draft.

Let's give him some regular season playing time and see how he's progressed since last year.

We won the game...both sides of the ball looked good...let's feel good about that!
Which is why I Defend him here. I feel like the Mario protector. I think I wanted Reggie more than Vince but not more than Mario. But when we did get him I didn't mind the pure potential he has in the NFL.

The guy has the potential to be a HOF DE, I expect that out of him. I expect him to have a 18 sack season, to sniff the record or maybe even break it. I just don't expect him to start showing his potential until his 3rd or 4th season.

We'll see what he does in the regular season, that is what really matters.

Although I disagree with you, I think our defense (1st and 2nd team) could have done better.

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I phrased that wrong.

I meant I wanted Reggie more than Vince and more than Mario. But I didn't want Vince more than Mario. But I wanted D'brickashaw 2nd over MArio and Vince.
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I mean't that you're not a newbie in that you should know by now how it works around here. If a player sucks, we criticize. That doesn't mean we don't see what the rest of the team is doing, or how well they are doing.
The team has stunk the past five years and the product this year is visibly different yet we continue to ***** and moan.

Maybe y'all have some sort of complex in Houston due to Bud Adams or maybe the 1993 playoff game against the Bills still haunts everyone. It is very weird in my opinion. I see bitching, but I see no critique on the player in question.

We won. Our rookie returned a punt for a TD. The Oline played well. Schaub and Sage played with poise. Green looked pretty good. Turk started. Lastly, Mario showed nothing but attacking the offensive lineman's numbers in front of him, again.
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Some folks are just looking to throw Mario under the bus, and I think it still goes back to them not getting who they wanted in last years draft.

Let's give him some regular season playing time and see how he's progressed since last year.

We won the game...both sides of the ball looked good...let's feel good about that!
We do. But we could/should be better. That's the disappointing part.

Think about it, we missed 2 out of 3 chances in the red zone. Our D still let the Cardinal QBs go 14 of 16. We give up that kind of percentage to Manning and Brees and we'll get eaten alive.

We need to fix this stuff now.
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Did he wow anyone? NO.

Is he a bust? Too early to tell.

1st string DL didn't impress me any at all today. It seems Mario is thinking and not playing. Doesn't mean he sucks, just means he's not comfortable. By all means continue to express your displeasure but you have to give the guy time. He's not going to make every tackle nor get every sack. But he should be showing more at this point.
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The defense is playing vanilla. No scheming no blitzing. The opposing Offense is going to look better, they know what play they want to run and they also know the defense is doing anything fancy.
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Mario is starting to fit the definition of "insanity"...................doing the same thing over and over and expecting another result. He cannot continue to try to be a "one trick pony." He will not be able to overpower each oponent head on to the outside............Bull rush as your only move is Bull***t..............Where are the coaches???????
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I'll wait to hear what Franklin and Bush have to say about Mario's performance. But nothing I saw was very noteworthy from any of the d-lineman, except maybe Kalu.
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The team has stunk the past five years and the product this year is visibly different yet we continue to ***** and moan.

Maybe y'all have some sort of complex in Houston due to Bud Adams or maybe the 1993 playoff game against the Bills still haunts everyone. It is very weird in my opinion. I see bitching, but I see no critique on the player in question.

We won. Our rookie returned a punt for a TD. The Oline played well. Schaub and Sage played with poise. Green looked pretty good. Turk started. Lastly, Mario showed nothing but attacking the offensive lineman's numbers in front of him, again.
So, even though we think the rest of the team played well, we're "pissing and moaning" on a Mario Williams thread?

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well we might just release the whole D-line then

Weaver doesn't show up in the stats
Tj's 3 total tackles one sack (can't tell which of the two did what so combined them)
Okoye 1 tackle
Williams doesn't show up either

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=270818022
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I see bitching, but I see no critique on the player in question.
I think you summed it up pretty well:

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Our O-Line has given up 1 sack in two games. I gotta believe that our D-line will do better in real games and our O-Line won't look quite so great.
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I find joy in analyzing players performances...Nothing more nothing less...

For instance...If you go back and look at some of Travis Johnsons' pass rush moves you will be very imressed....He even had one play where he faked liked he was jumping up to bat a pass down and threw his hands in the air...The offensive lineman reacted and kind of stood up a bit TJ ripped under him and hit the QB as he threw...He had some very nice moves today and was really active...Also Kasey Studdard looked borderline amazing...Both in pass pro and in run blocking...I liked all the RB's...Morlon still sucked IMO...We gotta a problem with our safeties...

BUT this IS a Mario Williams thread...

Who'd have ever thunk to find critique of mario in here ?
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That's a "newbie" post if I ever saw one.

But you're not a newbie, so what the hell, man?
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So, even though we think the rest of the team played well, we're "pissing and moaning" on a Mario Williams thread?

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well we might just release the whole D-line then

Weaver doesn't show up in the stats
Tj's 3 total tackles one sack (can't tell which of the two did what so combined them)
Okoye 1 tackle
Williams doesn't show up either

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=270818022
The reason is because Dline stats are hard to come by. You can't play 15 plays as a Dline and expect 3 tackles and a sack... Some DTs get 3 Ts a game, if you are then you have around 48 tackles for the year...which is a lot for a DT. Compare that to the amount of tkls a LB gets...

A DE is having a good game if he's got 3 tackles in a sack...that is in a WHOLE game. So I am just wondering why expect Mario to have any stats after the time he has played?

Even Kubes said his play would eventually show in the stats had he played the whole game...that is why we need to wait for the regular season.
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