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Old 08-18-2007   #21
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Probably. Babin is finally playing well... in his fourth year. Travis is showing signs of progress in his 3rd yr. Some of the talking heads said it would take a DL three yrs to truly "blossom"; maybe they were right for a change.
The problem is that those guys weren't the #1 pick. I'm not here to hammer Mario but for every person that points out that Bruce Smith and others didn't kill it their first season, there is another side that shows that Kearse and Freeney and Merriman and even Ware to some extent that made plays their first year. Of course people then bring up injuries. I guess what I'm worried about is the same thing people were worried about scouting him..his motor. I saw some plays today where he was pushed back to where the LBs were and wasn't even 5 yards from the play. I'm ready to see the #1 guy blow by someone and get in the QBs head. I'm just giving my assessment here.
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Yeah well, maybe you should petition the league...
Maybe I should. It wasn't only Mario Williams that was held. Their entire O-Line was getting away with Offensive Holding on the Texans D-Line almost all game long.
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Mario did not do much today, but let's make sure we focus on him given that our team sucks more than ever in the last six years.
That's a "newbie" post if I ever saw one.

But you're not a newbie, so what the hell, man?
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I think I am being unfair to Mario when it's really the coaching staff's fault.

Mario is a good football player, but he's being asked to do something he's not suited for.

He's being asked to be THAT guy who provides pressure from the edge, and to date I have not seen anything from Mario's on field performances that suggest he's capable of doing so.

The guy should be playing Strong side DE. Not Weak side, or "RDE" as some would say.
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seems you are out of touch with football fans on this one....all the fans hammer their disappointing players on all the teams...just look around
Out of touch with the need to hate on someone perhaps, but for the first time there is reason to have optimism due to the product as a whole. Carry on, as the need to hate seems to be therapeutic for some.
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Probably. Babin is finally playing well... in his fourth year. Travis is showing signs of progress in his 3rd yr. Some of the talking heads said it would take a DL three yrs to truly "blossom"; maybe they were right for a change.
This is impossible. Every Dlinemen is supposed to produce immeidiately like Freeney and Peppers although they are the exception...

Seriously though

I mean Strahan, J.Taylor, Burgess, Vanden Bosch, DEs just take more time. These guys coming out of college are used to just over powering OTs and linemen. Some of them use one move in college, like how Mario had a awesome bullrush in college...well he is finding out that isn't going to work any more. While his speed and strength is a factor he needs more technique, once he gets that he should do well.

Also I didn't see the first drive for the Cardinals. But for Dlinemen in general it is harder to stack up tackles and Sacks are not a easy stat to attain. If 2 sacks and 3 tackles are good game for a DE, why are we expecting him to get this in the PT he's getting in Pre-Season?
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Maybe I should. It wasn't only Mario Williams that was held. Their entire O-Line was getting away with Offensive Holding on the Texans D-Line almost all game long.
Let me get this straight. You are actually excusing their poor play.
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Maybe I should. It wasn't only Mario Williams that was held. Their entire O-Line was getting away with Offensive Holding on the Texans D-Line almost all game long.
Yet we still had some players that were able to get pressure, or atleast show signs of being able to rush the passer.

Imagine that.
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I think I am being unfair to Mario when it's really the coaching staff's fault.

Mario is a good football player, but he's being asked to do something he's not suited for.

He's being asked to be THAT guy who provides pressure from the edge, and to date I have not seen anything from Mario's on field performances that suggest he's capable of doing so.

The guy should be playing Strong side DE. Not Weak side, or "RDE" as some would say.
I also think he me be better suited for Left side as well... but we will see when the season comes.
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I am an admitted Mario Williams fan, but even I can see that he has some things he still needs to work on. I believe he is still giving up his chest too much most of the time. Also, he doesn't look comfortable out there to me.
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This is impossible. Every Dlinemen is supposed to produce immeidiately like Freeney and Peppers although they are the exception...

Seriously though

I mean Strahan, J.Taylor, Burgess, Vanden Bosch, DEs just take more time. These guys coming out of college are used to just over powering OTs and linemen. Some of them use one move in college, like how Mario had a awesome bullrush in college...well he is finding out that isn't going to work any more. While his speed and strength is a factor he needs more technique, once he gets that he should do well.

Also I didn't see the first drive for the Cardinals. But for Dlinemen in general it is harder to stack up tackles and Sacks are not a easy stat to attain. If 2 sacks and 3 tackles are good game for a DE, why are we expecting him to get this in the PT he's getting in Pre-Season?
LOL....

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That's a "newbie" post if I ever saw one.

But you're not a newbie, so what the hell, man?
Mario did not do squat today, that is a fact in my eyes. Are you saying that he did?
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Out of touch with the need to hate on someone perhaps, but for the first time there is reason to have optimism due to the product as a whole. Carry on, as the need to hate seems to be therapeutic for some.
you are just as bad labeling people as haters who are just voicing disappointment....I guess that's therapeutic for you as well.
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Yet we still had some players that were able to get pressure, or atleast show signs of being able to rush the passer.

Imagine that.
Against players that might not make the Cardinals' roster. By the time I saw the Texans putting pressure on the Cardinals' QB's their best O-Linemen were on the bench.
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you are just as bad labeling people as haters who are just voicing disappointment....I guess that's therapeutic for you as well.
Did not call you a hater, but if the shoe fits smell it. I am disappointed in Mario as well and stated it last week and today. I care for the team, not for one player. Carry on.
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Against players that might not make the Cardinals' roster. By the time I saw the Texans putting pressure on the Cardinals' QB's their best O-Linemen were on the bench.
But, But, But....They were getting held!

Whatever...
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I agree with BAttleRed about the holding...but it seems to me Mario is being singled out again when our Dline in general didn't get any pressure until the end of the game...

Babin did good but that was about it. TJ did alright, but overall our Dline play in general needs to improve.
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Not trying to defend Mario, but a player similar to his physical attributes, Julius Peppers (who I might add has been in the league a lot longer) put up Mario-type numbers last night.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season...&game_id=29471

It was interesting to me to see one of the elite pass rushers in the league be a no-show. Though sadly for Mario, Peppers has shown what he can do in the regular season.

Maybe Mario is unmotivated in preseason, maybe he really is a bust, but I find it hard to label him a true bust until after year 3.
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Just saying that we have a team that actualy may win games this year, so let's make sure we spoil it. Fair seems to be synonmous with lament in Houston, much like UT fans.
But people wouldn't complain if they didn't care. I desperately want Mario to be great, like I desperately wanted that girl in kindergarden to like me. And I have reservations about us being able to win a lot of games without someone, anyone stepping up on the D-line. Mario seemed to be the guy primed to do that. He's snubbing us. Purposely.
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With a couple of exceptions, I'm dissatisfied with the entire first team defense. I didn't get the 3-&-outs like I was looking for. There wasn't the pass rush everyone else was looking for...

Smith can't be happy.

as a fan, I know I'm not.

We need to stop collecting WRs and collect some DBs. And let the four most aggressive D-linemen start. I don't care what they make or where they were drafted.

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