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Old 08-07-2007   #1
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Matt Schaub will start his first game as a Texan on Saturday against the defending NFC champion Bears. With his much anticipated career in Houston off and running, here's the important question: Will Schaub turn out to be the next Rob Johnson?

Not that I'm wishing him any ill will or predicting failure. It's just that folks seem to be assuming he'll be the answer at quarterback in Houston, despite having precious little track record to go on.

The last time I remember so much faith and hope being invested in a quarterback who had played so little and proved even less, Buffalo was signing Johnson to a five-year, $25 million contract in early 1998, after trading a first and fourth-round pick to Jacksonville. At the time, Johnson had started exactly one game and thrown 35 passes in his first three NFL seasons, leading the Jags to a comeback 28-27 win over a mediocre Baltimore team on opening day 1997.

Subbing for the injured Mark Brunell, Johnson went 20-for-24 for 294 yards and two touchdown passes, and ran for a score despite playing on a sprained ankle that twice forced him from the game. The Bills and the rest of the NFL were smitten with Johnson's potential from that point on, and Buffalo awarded him an $8 million contract as part of its trade for him.

Johnson, of course, never measured up to the anticipation his arrival in Buffalo produced, and his four years with the team were mostly a disappointment. He started just 26 games in those seasons, feuded with, and was unseated by fellow quarterback Doug Flutie (later in 1998), and eventually alienated the Bills fans with his laid-back California surfer-dude persona. After Buffalo, Johnson became a journeyman QB, at best.

Here's where Schaub's situation is eerily similar: He too is getting his first shot as a starter in his fourth NFL season. Schaub started two games for the Falcons in his three years in Atlanta, but he made his name as a starter-in-waiting, largely based on his performance in one game, just as Johnson did. In October 2005, Schaub started at home in place of Michael Vick against the defending Super Bowl champion Patriots, whose defense was fairly well decimated against the run at the time, with the likes of Monty Beisel and Chad Brown in the starting lineup.

Schaub was boffo in a 31-28 loss, throwing for 298 yards and three touchdowns, for a eye-popping 112.1 QB rating. But he owns just one other start in the NFL (also a loss), and his six career touchdown passes and six interceptions have helped result in a ho-hum 69.2 passer rating, with a 52.2 completion percentage.

Those are pretty modest numbers considering Houston flopped first-round picks with Atlanta this spring, and then shipped the Falcons second-rounders in both '07 and '08 to acquire Schaub's services. As part of the trade, Schaub was given a six-year, $48 million contract that included $7 million in guarantees, and is worth $20 million in the deal's first three years.

As the Schaub era in Houston begins, keep the Rob Johnson era in Buffalo in mind. It's a comparison that may not stand the test of time, but it's sounding pretty topical about now.
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This should be an interesting dicussion...
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The one thing the writer didn't really acknowledge is where the guys played and who they played under. Levy was gone at Buffalo and you are in a totally different environment. Schaub is being tutored by a QB guy who has had success tutoring QBs. The Buffalo situation was a mess with Phillips and Gregg Williams. Apples and oranges to me.
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The Kubiak/Smith era is riding on Schaub being a success.

IMO, the Texans didn't have to trade for Schaub to get to 8-8 in 2007.

Just because you get divorced, doesn't mean you have to get remarried.

Flexibility would have been nice in 2008, but marketing seems to always trump most things in the Texans decision making regarding the QB position (except for one instant in 2006 in the 1st round of the draft).
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Schaub is being tutored by a QB guy who has had success tutoring guys.
Kubiak hasn't had much success in his first year at the Texans in QB decisions.
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He's just about spot on. Schaub has a lot to prove. I don't fault the Texans for taking a chance there, and I don't fault them for making a move to correct an earlier mistake. Some would like to bash the Texans for that earlier mistake, but to me, they owned it and made a move to correct it. We'll see if it works out, but at least they made a move to try and improve the team.
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He's just about spot on. Schaub has a lot to prove. I don't fault the Texans for taking a chance there, and I don't fault them for making a move to correct an earlier mistake. Some would like to bash the Texans for that earlier mistake, but to me, they owned it and made a move to correct it. We'll see if it works out, but at least they made a move to try and improve the team.
The mistake that you are referring to, is it Carr?

The Texans made more than one mistake with Carr.

It first started in drafting him, and then I could go on and on...
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Kubiak hasn't had much success in his first year at the Texans in QB decisions.
How was that his fault? So you sweep all his success with QBs out and because the team resigns Carr, forces his hand, and Carr fails, Kubes didn't do his job? What did you expect? You ever hear of lipstick on a pig...there you go. If you are in anyway talking about VY, Carr, etc, etc...then Kubes really didn't have a choice.
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Default Re: Banks on Schaub

I think Rob Johnson is a worst-case scenario. Schaub has better tools and coaches around him (e.g., Kubiak) than Rob did, so while I am not sold on his instant-success, I think in the end Schaub will end up a much better QB and a solid choice.
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Rob Johnson's still better than Carr.
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How was that his fault? So you sweep all his success with QBs out and because the team resigns Carr, forces his hand, and Carr fails, Kubes didn't do his job? What did you expect? You ever hear of lipstick on a pig...there you go. If you are in anyway talking about VY, Carr, etc, etc...then Kubes really didn't have a choice.
There is an old saying, "the buck stops here."

Kubiak shouldn't have taken the job then.

If an owner is pushing personnel decisions on you, that should be a big red flag.

So, yes I blame Kubiak regarding Carr.

I would have preferred VY, but there were 2 other highly regarded QBs to choose from at #1 last year. An excellent opportunity lost in my opinion. Not to mention, saving $8 million.

If Schaub doesn't live up to expectations, Kubiak is not the QB guru that everybody thinks he is or he is just a "yes man" to McNair.

Either way, his head coaching career will be suffering.
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Had Schaub been traded to a media darling team, he would have been compared to Brett Favre. A young Falcon QB who wasn't going to start, dealt to a QB hungry team for the equivalent of a 1st round pick. But, Schaub went to Houston. So we have to dig up the worst possible comparison. So typical.
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shoulda picked vince.

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He's just about spot on. Schaub has a lot to prove. I don't fault the Texans for taking a chance there, and I don't fault them for making a move to correct an earlier mistake. Some would like to bash the Texans for that earlier mistake, but to me, they owned it and made a move to correct it. We'll see if it works out, but at least they made a move to try and improve the team.
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IMO, the Texans didn't have to trade for Schaub to get to 8-8 in 2007.

Just because you get divorced, doesn't mean you have to get remarried.
No, but the goal is not to just be 8-8 in 2007. The Texans probably could have gone 8-8 without Schaub this year, but it's unlikely that they would improve on that next year and THAT is really the goal. If the Texans go 8-8 this year and then 8-8 again next year, that's not so good. But if they go 8-8 this year and then 10-6 next year, that's good.

Don't measure the Schaub trade based on this years record.
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There is an old saying, "the buck stops here."

Kubiak shouldn't have taken the job then.

If an owner is pushing personnel decisions on you, that should be a big red flag.

So, yes I blame Kubiak regarding Carr.

I would have preferred VY, but there were 2 other highly regarded QBs to choose from at #1 last year. An excellent opportunity lost in my opinion. Not to mention, saving $8 million.

If Schaub doesn't live up to expectations, Kubiak is not the QB guru that everybody thinks he is or he is just a "yes man" to McNair.

Either way, his head coaching career will be suffering.
That is alot of "if"s. When guys interview in the NFL and need to get their foot in the door then they take on many things...past coaches players, staff and owners who have agendas. Saying he should not have taken the job is easy to say and in my book a ridiculous statement. The Carr signing, which wasn't in Kubes hands, was placed on his lap. Therefore all the dominos you laid out were out of his hands. His job starts now. What you are saying is that any QB out there can be fixed by a "QB guy." That makes no sense considering the NFL is littered with sub-par QBs. You simplified a situation way too much. NOW, if he can't get Schaub to work after a couple of years then he is in trouble but to start in on him after 1 year is beyond myopic. Schaub was Kubiak and Smiths first jump into the fray and they have to live with it. Expecting miracles in Year 1....not sure what to say. The goal is to progressively build into a consistent winner.
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This article blatantly ignores any comparison between Schaub and Johnson other than they were both backup QBs with one good game under them. I'd like to think Kubes and Smith looked at more than just that one game before making a decision.

I don't remember the Rob Johnson era all that well, but I do remember that he wasn't a great leader with his teammates, he was slow to make decisions, and he didn't have the greatest work ethic.

So far, and yes I know there's not a lot to go on, Schaub seems to be passing all those tests.
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The writer says the comparison is eerily similar?

It's far from it.

What the writer FAILED (in a big way) to do, is to connect how Schaub also has a laid-back surfer dude attitude like he describes Ron Johnson as having.

1. Schaub is not similar to Rob Johnson in terms of personality.

2. Schaub was an accomplished QB in a WCO for several years, and now is running a WCO-type of system under Kubiak and Little Shanny...two guys who obviously know what they're doing with QBs/WRs.

Our o-line and possibly the run game, with assistance from Kubiak/Sherman, reduced QB sacks by 26 from 2005 to 2006. Carr had several games where he did not get sacked even once, and yet what did David "do" in those games? He went 16-for-20something and about 160 yards vs. Indy...that's what he did. How do you stay un-sacked and go for 160 yards in an entire game? David is stale bread. Period.

I am not ready to anoint Schaub as a HOF'er and fit his golden blazer yet...but I am fairly confident that it cannot get worse with Schaub at QB.

ABD (Anybody But David) is OK with me. We went five years with the guy, he got rich, we got hosed, and we deserve a new direction at QB.
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IMO, the Texans didn't have to trade for Schaub to get to 8-8 in 2007.

Just because you get divorced, doesn't mean you have to get remarried.
Any QB that they are going to go after is going to be evaluated by the Texans...not the hype machine that is ESPN....

Question: If the Texans evaluated Schaub and came to the conclusion that he was a QB that could take this team to the next level, why should they wait and take a gamble that a QB would be available next year, when they had what they wanted this year ?

That doesn't make any sense...


That's almost like saying the Miami Dolphins have an ideal QB situation.
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