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Old 08-03-2007   #1
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I have heard he hasn't been doing too well in TC. He has supposedly been throwing interceptions and not making good reads.

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I have heard he hasn't been doing too well in TC. He has supposedly been dropping passes and not making good reads.
Umm..he's a quarterback not a wide receiver. lol

He'll be fine
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How does a QB drop a pass?
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I have heard he hasn't been doing too well in TC. He has supposedly been dropping passes and not making good reads.
Geez...give the guy a chance. We basically have an over-glorified rookie QB here! He will be just fine...
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i don't know, but i'm pretty sure david carr could have managed it.
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Soucre, please.
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I thought the reason Schuab was traded for was because he has played in the same system since college and should be plug and play.

We could have cut Carr and tried our luck with Sage and saved two 2nd round drafts, as well as cap money.

The Schuab deal was risky and anything less than 8-8 will be a failure on that deal unless there are serious issues compensating it.

My biggest concern is, Kubiak passes on VY (or Cutler/Leinart if they start to tear it up), keeps Carr for $8 million then cuts him, and then trades for Schuab that doesn't pan out. That sounds like horrible decision making for a guy that is supposed to be a QB guru, particularly if Mario Williams turns out to be average.

It's still early for Schuab, but I don't think he has the entire regular season to get things going.

I am really looking forward to watching the preseason games on the NFL network via DVR.
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I thought the reason Schuab was traded for was because he has played in the same system since college and should be plug and play.

We could have cut Carr and tried our luck with Sage and saved two 2nd round drafts, as well as cap money.

The Schuab deal was risky and anything less than 8-8 will be a failure on that deal unless there are serious issues compensating it.

My biggest concern is, Kubiak passes on VY (or Cutler/Leinart if they start to tear it up), keeps Carr for $8 million then cuts him, and then trades for Schuab that doesn't pan out. That sounds like horrible decision making for a guy that is supposed to be a QB guru, particularly if Mario Williams turns out to be average.

It's still early for Schuab, but I don't think he has the entire regular season to get things going.

I am really looking forward to watching the preseason games on the NFL network via DVR.
David Carr had five years, but Schaub doesn't even get one? Nice logic.
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The Schuab deal was risky and anything less than 8-8 will be a failure on that deal unless there are serious issues compensating it.
Yeah, cause we were so going to get to .500 with Carr under center.
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Giving Carr five seasons wasn't exactly the best logic either...
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Soucre, please.
I don't know what I was thinking. Honest mistake (on the dropping passes part).

I was watching Houston Sports Beat this morning, and that is where I heard it from.
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i don't know, but i'm pretty sure david carr could have managed it.


It's dropping... with style!

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Remember, David Carr looked wonderful in practice and did nothing when it mattered.

Besides, its best if Matt makes the mistakes now, learns from them, then doesn't make them when its a real game.

Also, apparently our secondary is much better than we think.
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Geez...give the guy a chance. We basically have an over-glorified rookie QB here! He will be just fine...
I agree...

I'll never understand why rookie QBs, who have never played a down in the NFL, get the benefit of the doubt, but Schaub doesn't.

And if anybody wants to be really stupid, go ahead and say Schaub was a backup QB for three years. Ignorance of the Falcons, Blank, and Vick will be quite evident by that point.

I can't believe that in just two weeks of camp some folks have blown it out of their assumption that Schaub is already a bust. But whatever...I just hope that bitterness pill doesn't choke them on the way down.

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My biggest concern is, Kubiak passes on VY (or Cutler/Leinart if they start to tear it up), keeps Carr for $8 million then cuts him, and then trades for Schuab that doesn't pan out. That sounds like horrible decision making for a guy that is supposed to be a QB guru, particularly if Mario Williams turns out to be average.
You do understand that we run a WCO and VY is not a WCO QB, yeah?

And you understand Texans history that keeping Carr was NOT a Kubiak decision, yeah? (btw, Bill Walsh was known to use high picks on defenders, too)

With regards to Sage; Do you really believe that your opinion of a backup QB is more qualified than Gary Kubiak, who played with Elway, coached Steve Young to an MVP and Super Bowl championship, and then coached Elway to two Super Bowl championships?

Seriously, bro', I know backups are the most popular player on a team, but it's obvious that Sage has never been the man on any team he's played on. Some guys are just career backups and can play well when other teams have no data/film to study on them. If Kubiak thought he could do it, I have little doubt that he'd be our starter right now.
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Remember, David Carr looked wonderful in practice and did nothing when it mattered.

Besides, its best if Matt makes the mistakes now, learns from them, then doesn't make them when its a real game.

Also, apparently our secondary is much better than we think.
We definitely have some quality depth now.

I've still yet to be impressed by Faggins. Has anybody else that have been to camp noticed anything? IMO, both Bennett and Fletcher have outplayed him so far.

Then again it is just camp.
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One week into camp I can't bring myself to worry too much about anyone in camp short of injured players. Much has been made of Schaub having played in this kind of offense for much of his professional and collegiate career but stop and consider for a moment that he's got a few off-season camps and one week of training camp with these players. The systems may be the same but there will be differences in terminology and personnel that anyone would have to overcome.

The fact that he's practicing like it's week one of training camp with a new team doesn't mean that Schaub is a bust. It just means that it's week one of training camp with a new team.
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David Carr had five years, but Schaub doesn't even get one? Nice logic.
...very good point I've been making,too--however, a lot of this BS started the first week of TC--what's up with that?

And, how about the poster that already wants to know what 'retreads' we'll p/u when they're cut from other teams. However, Porky, you gotta love the guy that was upset by all the interceptions that Matt was throwing the other day, but--come to find out--it was #18 and not #8 that day.
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You know one of the things I've never understood is the argument that nobody knows if Schaub will be another Brett Favre or another AJ Feeley (nobody's made that on this thread, but I'm sure you've all heard it as well).

Anyway, that sounds like a load of crap to me because it makes it seem as if backup QBs are these mysterious beings that are a complete crapshoot and there's no way to distinguish between them. While for the average fan, and obviously the talking heads, that may be true, I would like to think that experienced NFL coaches such as Kubiak and Sherman can identify differences between a Schaub and a Feeley even with limited game tape.

Obviously they can't tell everything about a guy, but between the exposure they have and extended discussions with other NFL types, they should have a decent idea about a guy. Even in the media you've heard all sorts of great reviews about Schaub before he was traded to Houston.
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Thank ya Fox.

Carr started as a rookie on an expansion team. You get a couple years to gel with that.

As for Schuab, I am of the understanding they did the deal because he has been working with Kubiak's type of offense since college.

If the expection on trading for Schuab was 2 to 3 years to get rolling, I would have taken my chances with Sage.

The two 2nd round draft picks, dead money from Carr, and then more money for Schuab just sounds like stupidity to me.

Honestly, I think Schuab will be just fine this year. He won't blow the doors wide open in 2007 but establish good momentum to be a force in the future.
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You do understand that we run a WCO and VY is not a WCO QB, yeah?

And you understand Texans history that keeping Carr was NOT a Kubiak decision, yeah? (btw, Bill Walsh was known to use high picks on defenders, too)

With regards to Sage; Do you really believe that your opinion of a backup QB is more qualified than Gary Kubiak, who played with Elway, coached Steve Young to an MVP and Super Bowl championship, and then coached Elway to two Super Bowl championships?

Seriously, bro', I know backups are the most popular player on a team, but it's obvious that Sage has never been the man on any team he's played on. Some guys are just career backups and can play well when other teams have no data/film to study on them. If Kubiak thought he could do it, I have little doubt that he'd be our starter right now.
I understand your points but I wasn't arguing those perspectives particularly.

So what I am really saying is, if Schuab isn't all that, maybe Kubiak isn't such a good QB coach and/or evaluator of talent.

I am sure Carr was forced on Kubiak when accepting the head coach position. But, if he didn't like it, he shouldn't have taken the job or negotiated something better. Again, poor decision making by Kubiak and there is no way getting around that.

Bottom line, Kubiak should be this QB guru and nothing has shown that thus far that he is.

That's all I'm saying.

As I said earlier, I think Schuab will be just fine this year, not amazing but on his way! Right now though, there still are a lot of question marks.

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