VY in fight!

[2ToneBlue]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

One of the things that I am thankful for after the Oilers left, Chris Chandler is part of your history, not ours.

But you probably didn't know that.

What history is that? He's known as a Falcon if anything. He was a rental between Moon and McNair...

1995-1996 Houston? 25 games

[Blazing Arrow]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

I love how everyone blathers on how VY won eight games. VY won only one game last year and that was against the Texans. Other than that Travis Henry carried the offense, Pacman, and the defense rose up when they had to.

And for those who would like to argue this check out the Titans wins when Travis Henry played full strength. Henry was rushing for a buck thirty, a buck fifty, a buck seventy.

You got a qb who threw more INT than TD, a completion of just over 51%, and averaged less than 160 yards a game.

The rest that I would like to say is Dilfer won a superbowl, big deal.

Tell me in my post where I said he single handedly won the games. I believe my comment was:

He went 8-5 as a start

It's a team sport we all know that. Just like the Texans failings can not all be put on David Carr.

So you basically compared his rookie year to Manning, Elway, S Young, Moon ... the list goes on but to seriously bring up rookie years stats shows you are grasping or just do not understand the learning curve of the position very well.

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by 2ToneBlue

What history is that? He's known as a Falcon if anything. He was a rental between Moon and McNair...

1995-1996 Houston? 25 games

Um yours...........you took the franchise and the right to retire players at your stadium, you get the turds along with them.

Chandler may have been a Falcon but he played for at least ten different teams.

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by Blazing Arrow

Tell me in my post where I said he single handedly won the games. I believe my comment was:



It's a team sport we all know that. Just like the Texans failings can not all be put on David Carr.

So you basically compared his rookie year to Manning, Elway, S Young, Moon ... the list goes on but to seriously bring up rookie years stats shows you are grasping or just do not understand the learning curve of the position very well.

I wasn't specifically talking to you about that. However if you read through these posts or posts regarding VY you undoubtedly find someone saying VY won eight games last season.

I wasn't comparing his rookie year to anyone, I was talking strictly about last years production.

I was more responding to those who were comparing his stats with others and making a point.

[2ToneBlue]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

Um yours...........you took the franchise and the right to retire players at your stadium, you get the turds along with them.

Chandler may have been a Falcon but he played for at least ten different teams.

Ohh ok, so you agree he was only a rental, but due to the fact we have rights to retire him means we will make him a part of our history?

If anything you'd have a good arguement against the Colts that drafted him just to be replaced by Jeff George

[Blazing Arrow]

I am board so I figured I would chime in.

And you did compare him to other when you said:

The rest that I would like to say is Dilfer won a superbowl, big deal.

By mentioning the fact that he had more INTs then TD you imply that that makes him a poor choice at QB. A QB who was playing his rookie season on a team that was predicted to be in the toilet, I would agree with a seasoned vet putting up those numbers you have to start to question it.

Since he was a rookie last season it should be fair to put his numbers up against some of the greats and see how he did. About on average with the greats …. so again I question even bringing it up.

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by 2ToneBlue

Ohh ok, so you agree he was only a rental, but due to the fact we have rights to retire him means we will make him a part of our history?

If anything you'd have a good arguement against the Colts that drafted him just to be replaced by Jeff George

When did I agree he was a rental? Chandler never could stay healthy was the reason he got dropped.

And yes, he is part of your history. All Oiler history went with Bud Adams. So that means the 35-3 playoff loss against Buffalo, the 60-3 loss -vs- Cincinnati, Jeff Alm blowing his brains out with a shotgun during the season, and Jerry Glanville, are all yours.

Why on earth would I suggest you would retire Chris Chandler? Although after the decisions the Titans have made over the last two years nothing would surprise me now.

Who is talking about the Colts? Jeff George was a Falcon too.

[TEXANRED]

Oh yea, Jim Eddie, he's all yours too.

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by Blazing Arrow

I am board so I figured I would chime in.

And you did compare him to other when you said:



By mentioning the fact that he had more INTs then TD you imply that that makes him a poor choice at QB. A QB who was playing his rookie season on a team that was predicted to be in the toilet, I would agree with a seasoned vet putting up those numbers you have to start to question it.

Since he was a rookie last season it should be fair to put his numbers up against some of the greats and see how he did. About on average with the greats …. so again I question even bringing it up.

First I mentioned Dilfer to counter VY getting props for winning eight games. The Ravens won the superbowl not Dilfer, the Titans won eight, not VY.

If you would like to compare rookie seasons then I think it would be fair to compare Leinart to Young.

Leinart started one less game than VY and had more production on just as horrible of a team as the Titans.

The handy cap that Leinart has -vs- VY is Dennis Green -vs- Jeff Fisher.

[Blazing Arrow]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

If you would like to compare rookie seasons then I think it would be fair to compare Leinart to Young.

Leinart started one less game than VY and had more production on just as horrible of a team as the Titans.

The handy cap that Leinart has -vs- VY is Dennis Green -vs- Jeff Fisher.

So now you are comparing a QB who had Boldin and Fitzgerald and saying they are even keel with Bennett and Wade?

and

"The Bears are who we thought they were!"

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by Blazing Arrow

So now you are comparing a QB who had Boldin and Fitzgerald and saying they are even keel with Bennett and Wade?

and

"The Bears are who we thought they were!"

I love this response. Every time I mention Leinart out performing VY, Fitz and Boldin come up.

Just b/c you have two stellar receivers doesn't mean you will do good. Just ask Kurt Warner and Josh McCown.

[awtysst]

Originally Posted by Vinny

my mind hasn't changed in years. I called him a "future superstar" in the NFL back when he was a freshman at UT...so no, 8 games hasn't changed my view of him. All I know is if it is 4th and 8 with less than a min on the clock and you are within a score of winning or tying the game I can't think of another QB in the league I'd rather have at QB than Vince Young for one play.

Vince Young had a better rookie season than John Elway did, but if you have read me for a while you know how I feel about random stat grabs....so go figure. I do trust my eyeballs though.

Vinny,
I hear what you are saying, and one day he might be there, but right now if it is 4th and 8 with less than a min on the clock and you are within a score of winning or tying the game, Id take Brady. He has done it so many times in the regualr season and the playoffs that I would take him. Maybe in time, Young will be at that level, but in my mind someday is not today.

[awtysst]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

I love this response. Every time I mention Leinart out performing VY, Fitz and Boldin come up.

Just b/c you have two stellar receivers doesn't mean you will do good. Just ask Kurt Warner and Josh McCown.

Didn't Kurt Warner win a Superbowl?

[Blazing Arrow]

Originally Posted by awtysst

Didn't Kurt Warner win a Superbowl?

Like the words came right off my keyboard.

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

I love how everyone blathers on how VY won eight games. VY won only one game last year and that was against the Texans. Other than that Travis Henry carried the offense, Pacman, and the defense rose up when they had to.

And for those who would like to argue this check out the Titans wins when Travis Henry played full strength. Henry was rushing for a buck thirty, a buck fifty, a buck seventy.

You got a qb who threw more INT than TD, a completion of just over 51%, and averaged less than 160 yards a game.

The rest that I would like to say is Dilfer won a superbowl, big deal.

Unless you were referencing the SB the Titans were in??? I would imagine you would not be so bold until at least your team has a .500 season and that would be a stretch.

Maybe you get that response because it is true? Dropped balls, poorly run routes, and not having a sense of the field also hurts the QB throwing to the receiver.

And McClown is crap. To put him in the same sentence as Vince Young drops your credibility. Plus again you got back to a rookie year to scrape the barrel on your stats and a second year guy. Most people will tell you that a WR really does not step into form until his third season. I mean Boldin only played in 10 games that season???

[awtysst]

Originally Posted by Blazing Arrow

Like the words came right of my keyboard. Unless you were referencing the SB the Titans were in??? I would imagine you would not be so bold until at least your team has a .500 season and that would be a stretch.

Maybe you get that response because it is true? Dropped balls, poorly run routes, and not having a sense of the field also hurts the QB throwing to the receiver.

And McClown is crap. To put him in the same sentence as Vince Young drops your credibility. Plus again you got back to a rookie year to scrape the barrel on your stats and a second year guy. Most people will tell you that a WR really does not step into form until his third season. I mean Boldin only played in 10 games that season???

Did you actually read my comment or did you just spout off your typical Rhetoric? Had you actually bothered to read my post you would have noticed I said nothing about McCown nor did I mention the Titans in any way.

Why did you go out of your way to mention "myt team" one that has not had a season over .500? Did I mention the Texans in this thread? Nope. I never mentioned Vince Young either. Check it out. My comment had to do with Kurt Warner and Kurt Warner alone.

You need to spend more time actually reading what people say before responding othereise you really look foolish.

[Blazing Arrow]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

Oh yea, Jim Eddie, he's all yours too.

And Tony Boselli is on you .... who do you think recovered faster as an organization? Not really seeing any of your points so far.

You guys had a good off-season you should try working that angle maybe?

Of course once we sign Rice that will be a moot point but you have a day or so .....

[Blazing Arrow]

Originally Posted by awtysst

Did you actually read my comment or did you just spout off your typical Rhetoric? Had you actually bothered to read my post you would have noticed I said nothing about McCown nor did I mention the Titans in any way.

Why did you go out of your way to mention "myt team" one that has not had a season over .500? Did I mention the Texans in this thread? Nope. I never mentioned Vince Young either. Check it out. My comment had to do with Kurt Warner and Kurt Warner alone.

You need to spend more time actually reading what people say before responding othereise you really look foolish.

I appologize I did not make my comment at you but did not want to repeat your comment. Direct what I said at TEXANRED comment which you quoted.

I fixed it so it more clearly reflects what I was trying to get at.

[awtysst]

Originally Posted by Blazing Arrow

I appologize I did not make my comment at you but did not want to repeat your comment. Direct what I said at TEXANRED comment which you quoted.

I fixed it so it more clearly reflects what I was trying to get at.

Apology accecpted. I probably overated a bit too.

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

I love how everyone blathers on how VY won eight games. VY won only one game last year and that was against the Texans. Other than that Travis Henry carried the offense, Pacman, and the defense rose up when they had to.

And for those who would like to argue this check out the Titans wins when Travis Henry played full strength. Henry was rushing for a buck thirty, a buck fifty, a buck seventy.

You got a qb who threw more INT than TD, a completion of just over 51%, and averaged less than 160 yards a game.

The rest that I would like to say is Dilfer won a superbowl, big deal.

Yet Travis Henry didn't start gaining those yards until a certain someone was at QB. I'm just saying, it goes both ways. You mentioned the defense rising up and they were one of the worst in the league. They won one game by themselves. I'll say what I said before and...I didn't go to UT or want to draft VY...all of these "risings up" and "big yardage games" only started during the streak. Take it for what you will. Confidence builds winning and winning builds expectations from all. It is the trickle down theory. If I listened to some of you guys there would be no special QBs because they always seemed to have good players and defenses around them...well yeah, most do at some point.

[Blazing Arrow]

The Titans also changed to a zone blocking scheme to help protect VY when he rolls. Henry benefited and a line that was getting terrorized put an 1100+ yard back up who did not start the enrite season.