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He can beat the case...
Signed,
That .01%
j/k
OJ wasn't indicted by the federal government. Vick doesn't have the luxury of the inept LAPD trying to convict him.
OJ was found responsible in Civil Court for the deaths of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman....
Who cares, whether it's fed time or state time you still have to do time.
OJ was found responsible in Civil Court for the deaths of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman....
Vick to face no-nonsense judge in "rocket docket" court
When Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick appears in federal court next week, he'll stand before a no-nonsense judge unimpressed by Vick's celebrity and in a court known nationwide for its speedy handling of cases.
quote ... "You don't get any special perks because of who you are, and you don't get punished because you aren't somebody who is a public figure."
The U.S. District Court in Richmond has come to be renowned as the "rocket docket" for getting its cases handled quickly. Vick faces charges of sponsoring a brutal dog fighting ring.
RICHMOND, Va. -- Michael Vick pleaded not guilty Thursday to federal dogfighting charges and was released without bond until a Nov. 26 trial.
The Atlanta Falcons quarterback and three others entered their pleas in U.S. District Court to conspiracy charges involving competitive dogfighting, procuring and training pit bulls for fighting and conducting the enterprise across state lines. Federal prosecutors say the operation -- known as Bad Newz Kennels -- was run on Vick's property in Surry County..
"Today, you all either heard or saw Michael take his first step toward proving his innocence," Vick's attorney, Billy Martin, said. "We intend to prove Mike's innocence at trial."
The trial date was set for Nov. 26 at 9:30 a.m. Vick waived his right to a speedy trial.
"I take these charges very seriously and look forward to clearing my good name," Vick said in a statement read outside court by Martin.
'I respectfully ask all of you to hold your judgment until all of the facts are shown. Above all, I would like to say to my mom I'm sorry for what she has had to go through in this most trying of times. It has caused pain to my family and I apologize to my family. I also want to apologize to my Falcon teammates for not being with them at the beginning of spring training," he said.
Who cares, whether it's fed time or state time you still have to do time.
OJ wasn't indicted by the federal government. Vick doesn't have the luxury of the inept LAPD trying to convict him.
standard of proof is lower in a civil case
What is the FED's conviction rate against famous people with money ?
Sure they have a high conviction rate against those who can't afford high power attorneys...
But what are they looking like against powerful teams of attorneys ?
Vick pleads not guilty...what were you expecting him to do?
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ESPN Article: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2950226
If this thing goes to trial and the evidence is similar or worse than the indictment, it won't matter if Vick is found not guilty with regard to Vick playing in the NFL again.
Too much pressure will be brought to bear and as mentioned earlier, and the burden of proof for a criminal case is higher than a civil case. With that said, I suspect the the burden of proof from a civil case to a lifetime ban by
Goodell will be even lower.
If Vick wants to play in the NFL again, he needs to plea to probation, become a permanent spokesman against this type of activity for PETA or whatever, and just come clean. The details of this trial will be too much regardless if he is found not guilty in a criminal case.
This case is going to be very ugly in details and people care more about dogs than they do people.
Where's all the lefties on this Board who are always running around shouting things about peoples civil liberties and how they should have their day in court if charged. This is one of the most incredible examples of a "rush to judgement" I've see lately. And I'm very much a conservative on a lot of things, and I might add I also happen to be white.
Oh, and for those of you that think the Feds don't make mistakes, that assume those charges against Vick are 100 % for sure, that the Feds are infallible, what a laughter !
I seem to recall a pretty large mistake the Feds made awhile back about their reasoning for being concerned about this country in the MidEast because it was, they said, a threat to our national security. They said that country was a threat to our nation because it had something called "WMD" ? So the Feds invaded that country. How's that looking now ? Huh ?
You bet your sweet butt the Feds make mistakes. Sometimes damn big ones.
I beleive I read somewhere that their conviciton rate was close to 97%......... Period.
Where's all the lefties on this Board who are always running around shouting things about peoples civil liberties and how they should have their day in court if charged.
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It almost seems that way & it saddens me in regards to the bolded. Vick is fried either way in the court of public opinion & i now think his fate is sealed as far as the NFL goes b/c of it...... That is unless that ol' american short term memory kicks in.....
That's understood...
What I'm asking is what is their conviction rate against those of high status ?
1. You're comparing the CIA / FBI data on terrorism & Saddam Hussein to Federal prosecutorial records? Hello Mr Straw-man, nice to see you again. Remember, even though the ATF f'ed up the arrest of D. Koresh, the Prosecutors still got their convictions.Oh, and for those of you that think the Feds don't make mistakes, that assume those charges against Vick are 100 % for sure, that the Feds are infallible, what a laughter !
I seem to recall a pretty large mistake the Feds made awhile back about their reasoning for being concerned about this country in the MidEast because it was, they said, a threat to our national security. They said that country was a threat to our nation because it had something called "WMD" ? So the Feds invaded that country. How's that looking now ? Huh ?
You bet your sweet butt the Feds make mistakes. Sometimes damn big ones.
Vick isn't fried in the court of public opinion...
There are just as many people who could care less about dogs as there are people who care adamantly about them...
That may be too difficult to define, though I'm interested to know as well. I'd also be interested in the breakdown by class of offense. (ie. Murder is harder to prove than Manslaughter, etc.)That's understood...
What I'm asking is what is their conviction rate against those of high status ?
Ever work for a criminal attorney? Your lawyer will wave you off when you say you are not guilty. They will say..."I have the indictment, I have CERTAIN questions and you say nothing else. Understood?" You: "uh....ok." Lawyer: "I have ceratin elements to deal with here. I need you to shut up." You: "Uh....ok." Been there, done that.
Vick has a plan. Something is going down. Or he would have made a bargin.
$5 bucks says I'm right.
Law sucks in this area. I hate it. Should have gone for corporate take overs.![]()
Maybe not to the extent i'm thinking, but enough to where owners will stay away from him in an attempt to avoid a PR disaster & enough to where goodell might feel he needs to go above & beyond to save "the shield".
Also good post above Elle...
Ever work for a criminal attorney? Your lawyer will wave you off when you say you are not guilty. They will say..."I have the indictment, I have CERTAIN questions and you say nothing else. Understood?" You: "uh....ok." Lawyer: "I have ceratin elements to deal with here. I need you to shut up." You: "Uh....ok." Been there, done that.
Vick has a plan. Something is going down. Or he would have made a bargin.
$5 bucks says I'm right.
Law sucks in this area. I hate it. Should have gone for corporate take overs.![]()
I just can't see Vick hiring attorneys that didn't know what they were doing...
What is the FED's conviction rate against famous people with money ?
Sure they have a high conviction rate against those who can't afford high power attorneys...
But what are they looking like against powerful teams of Lawyers ?
Vick's attorneys are probably going to get paid regardless of outcome.
Also, the more the facts are against Vick, the less people will hold those attorneys responsbile for not getting a not guilty verdict. They can only work with what they got...
The court in which Vick is being tried the feds have a 99% conviction rate. That particular district is known for having it's ducks in a row when it indicts someone. You can bet they have a good deal of solid evidence on Vick.
(Keep in mind, this is a great case to get some national exposure and many of these prosecutors turn into politicians later.)
Vick isn't fried in the court of public opinion...
There are just as many people who could care less about dogs as there are people who care adamantly about them...
High power cuircut, high power lawyers, bottom line...High power level playing field. If these guys didn't have a chance of saving his ass and career, they would have folded their hand.
Translation: I know something you don't know and you have some Slaining to do, Lucy. See...the number one rule about being any kind of lawyer is that you never ask a question that you do not already have an answer for. THE answer for. Ergo, my position is Vick's guys have something to really trip this clock or Vick has them convinced he can trip the clock. These are federal lawyers. It's pretty hard to blow smoke up thier panties.![]()
I think you're wrong on that, even most people who don't care about dogs aren't inhuman enough to want to see them beaten, shot and or electocuted for failure, not to mention that they also wouldn't want to see them chew each other up in a three hour fight. A large majority of people in this country own pets, either dogs or cats or others and don't like to see animals abused. The people who would not be appalled and disgusted by what Vick "allegedly" did are few and far between. I have not spoken to one person yet who was not sickened by what is in that indictment.
So how do you think their conversation went ?
Attorney: Hey Mike, the case is air tight against you....I suggest a plea bargain...
Mike: Screw that
Attorney: Ok...it's your money...
This isn't a fantasy world....
This is real life....
Think about what you're saying.....
High powered attorneys don't go to court representing high profile people to lose...C'mon, be serious....
If they didn't think Vick had a good chance to beat the charges they would have advised him so....And if My high dollar attorney is telling me that it's best to plea bargain I'd be a fool not to listen...
RZ...you know I don't like to fight issues with you. In this case, as is what is the law of the land, a person is innocent until proven guilty. Even if the charge is a purse snatch.
Whatever pet owners think is irrelevant. It's the law of the land. It's a non issue unless they are on the jury.
Voir Dire will last forever because this does involve dogs until the judge reigns in everyone and reminds them that tax evasion is a higher priority here.
I'm sorry to say, but the animal issue will fall behind the income issue and failure to pay taxes. Maybe that's why Vick went to Not Guilty. He could have stashed gambling inside his absurd NFL monies.
Personally, I think the 2 other i d i o t s involved will be nailed with tax fraud, the animal issue will evaporate and Vick is gone like smoke. Maybe he never plays in the NFL again. But, he certainly won't go quietly into the night.
RZ...you know I don't like to fight issues with you. In this case, as is what is the law of the land, a person is innocent until proven guilty. Even if the charge is a purse snatch.
Whatever pet owners think is irrelevant. It's the law of the land. It's a non issue unless they are on the jury.
Voir Dire will last forever because this does involve dogs until the judge reigns in everyone and reminds them that tax evasion is a higher priority here.
I'm sorry to say, but the animal issue will fall behind the income issue and failure to pay taxes. Maybe that's why Vick went to Not Guilty. He could have stashed gambling inside his absurd NFL monies.
Personally, I think the 2 other i d i o t s involved will be nailed with tax fraud, the animal issue will evaporate and Vick is gone like smoke. Maybe he never plays in the NFL again. But, he certainly won't go quietly into the night.