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Old 07-26-2007   #1
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In un-related news, beachfront property is available for sale in Arizona....
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610 just reported during the news flash that "Michael Vick is person of interest in a dog fighting ring in Arizona"......
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Vick is ****ed.
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Default Re: Vick pleads not guilty and other urban legends.

Yeah, i saw that & all of the other crap surrounding this case & i must say that i'm going to change my tune right now on whether i think he'll ever play again in the NFL. I still think that he could beat these charges & any new ones that they possibly plan to bring against him for his freedom, but Goodell has steadily been backing himself into a corner since the suspension of pacman came down.

Plus, PETA & all the emotion they're bringing to the case will sort of force him to do something in excess of the pacman suspension which will be to ban him from the league.

I'm not going to say that i would completely agree with it, but at least Goodell would be consistent & if it serves as a "shot heard round the world" in this case the league, then i guess i can't complain.

Hell, at least he's letting the facts lead him instead of geting caught up in the wave of judgement that many people have already began to surf.
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He can beat the case...

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Lol, I'll put it like this, if OJ & those cops in the rodney king ordeal can beat their cases, he can as well.

On a side note i wonder what the plea deal was that he rejected.
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OJ wasn't indicted by the federal government. Vick doesn't have the luxury of the inept LAPD trying to convict him.
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Default Re: Vick pleads not guilty and other urban legends.

Vick to face no-nonsense judge in "rocket docket" court

When Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick appears in federal court next week, he'll stand before a no-nonsense judge unimpressed by Vick's celebrity and in a court known nationwide for its speedy handling of cases.

quote ... "You don't get any special perks because of who you are, and you don't get punished because you aren't somebody who is a public figure."

The U.S. District Court in Richmond has come to be renowned as the "rocket docket" for getting its cases handled quickly. Vick faces charges of sponsoring a brutal dog fighting ring.
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OJ was found responsible in Civil Court for the deaths of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman....
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OJ wasn't indicted by the federal government. Vick doesn't have the luxury of the inept LAPD trying to convict him.
Who cares, whether it's fed time or state time you still have to do time.

& yeah, he only has the squeaky clean gub'ment...

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OJ was found responsible in Civil Court for the deaths of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman....
Nice consolation prize since we couldn't get him on what we want...
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Who cares, whether it's fed time or state time you still have to do time.
I think DB was comparing conviction rates of State v. Federal cases..
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OJ was found responsible in Civil Court for the deaths of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman....
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Vick to face no-nonsense judge in "rocket docket" court

When Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick appears in federal court next week, he'll stand before a no-nonsense judge unimpressed by Vick's celebrity and in a court known nationwide for its speedy handling of cases.

quote ... "You don't get any special perks because of who you are, and you don't get punished because you aren't somebody who is a public figure."

The U.S. District Court in Richmond has come to be renowned as the "rocket docket" for getting its cases handled quickly. Vick faces charges of sponsoring a brutal dog fighting ring.
doesn't really matter now considering the right to a speedy trial was rejected by the defense & they were handed an extra 6 plus weeks until his actual court date.
Many were expecting it to at least begin in Oct.
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Default Re: Vick pleads not guilty and other urban legends.

If this thing goes to trial and the evidence is similar or worse than the indictment, it won't matter if Vick is found not guilty with regard to Vick playing in the NFL again.

Too much pressure will be brought to bear and as mentioned earlier, and the burden of proof for a criminal case is higher than a civil case. With that said, I suspect the the burden of proof from a civil case to a lifetime ban by
Goodell will be even lower.

If Vick wants to play in the NFL again, he needs to plea to probation, become a permanent spokesman against this type of activity for PETA or whatever, and just come clean. The details of this trial will be too much regardless if he is found not guilty in a criminal case.

This case is going to be very ugly in details and people care more about dogs than they do people.
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Vick pleads not guilty...what were you expecting him to do?



ESPN Article: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2950226

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RICHMOND, Va. -- Michael Vick pleaded not guilty Thursday to federal dogfighting charges and was released without bond until a Nov. 26 trial.

The Atlanta Falcons quarterback and three others entered their pleas in U.S. District Court to conspiracy charges involving competitive dogfighting, procuring and training pit bulls for fighting and conducting the enterprise across state lines. Federal prosecutors say the operation -- known as Bad Newz Kennels -- was run on Vick's property in Surry County..

"Today, you all either heard or saw Michael take his first step toward proving his innocence," Vick's attorney, Billy Martin, said. "We intend to prove Mike's innocence at trial."

The trial date was set for Nov. 26 at 9:30 a.m. Vick waived his right to a speedy trial.

"I take these charges very seriously and look forward to clearing my good name," Vick said in a statement read outside court by Martin.

'I respectfully ask all of you to hold your judgment until all of the facts are shown. Above all, I would like to say to my mom I'm sorry for what she has had to go through in this most trying of times. It has caused pain to my family and I apologize to my family. I also want to apologize to my Falcon teammates for not being with them at the beginning of spring training," he said.
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Who cares, whether it's fed time or state time you still have to do time.
big differences between state and federal time, but the idea is still the same - you get locked up
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What is the FED's conviction rate against famous people with money ?

Sure they have a high conviction rate against those who can't afford high power attorneys...

But what are they looking like against powerful teams of Lawyers ?

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Originally I wanted Vick to get convicted because I think he's guilty.

Now, I no longer care.
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