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Old 07-06-2007   #21
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Makes you wonder if this holds up, does TJ even make it out of camp?
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Babin will be a situational pass rushing DE. I'm not sure I'd pin the bust tag on Babin. Sure, he's been an average player, but not a bust. I consider a bust to be someone who is unable to perform at the NFL level.
I've been jumped on before for not jumping on the Babin is a bust bandwagon. Like you said. He may not have lived up to initial hype, but I don't think I would call last years team leader in sacks a bust.
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Does Babin remind anyone else as the 'bad boy' of the Backstreet Boys? A buddy of mine pointed it out, and ever since, I can't help but chuckle everytime I see him.

I'm not a Babin hater, but I don't think he's proved to be first round pick worthy, either....at least not at this point in his career.
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I'm not a Babin hater, but I don't think he's proved to be first round pick worthy, either....at least not at this point in his career.
Agree with you for the most part but in Babin's defense, he has been moved around between OLB and DE. His playing time has not been overly consistent, and check out what we saw from Mario last year. With the time it takes many DE to develop and the way Babin has been moved around, it's no wonder why he hasn't looked like a first round pick. Then again, he may never look like one...
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I don't expect Babin to ever look like a 1st Rnd 4-3 DE. They are expected to be dominant against the pass and effective against the run. In my opinion, Babin lacks the strength to be effective against the run as a 4-3 DE. I think he will always be used as a situational pass rush specialist, which is alright since he has shown he can be effective in that role.
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Now, as for the Texans' D-line being top 10 against the run. How did you come to that conclusion? I don't see this team being particularly suited to stopping the run. On the other hand, I do believe we will see a marked improvement in the Texans' pass rush.

As for street free agent DT's, I hope to see alot of Alfred "Big Pooh" Malone at the NT position next to Amobi Okoye at the 3-Technique DT position. "Big Pooh" showed some promise early last season before he broke his hand.
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Now, as for the Texans' D-line being top 10 against the run. How did you come to that conclusion? I don't see this team being particularly suited to stopping the run. On the other hand, I do believe we will see a marked improvement in the Texans' pass rush.

As for street free agent DT's, I hope to see alot of Alfred "Big Pooh" Malone at the NT position next to Amobi Okoye at the 3-Technique DT position. "Big Pooh" showed some promise early last season before he broke his hand.
I think our defensive line is in position to switch out alot keeping our guys fresh. Plus, I see our defensive line really holding up some guys and letting our linebackers make more plays. Our defensive ends are good against the run. Now with Maddox emerging and Amobi joining the team the center of our defensive line should be solid. We played pretty well against the run last year I thought. The only teams that really bust us up running were Washington, Tennessee once, and Dallas. Philly was pretty bad but that was Game #1 in the 4-3. We allowed around 100-115 yards rushing in a good amount of our games last year and thats what it takes to be top 10 (100 yards rushing allowed per game). Even though this year we face some teams that I think are better rushing teams than last year...I am going out on a little bit of a limb.

Another reason I think we will be Top 10 in rushing defense this year is that I don't think we will be seeing our defense as tired throughout games this year. Not only because of more depth but because I think our offense will have more time of possession this year (Schaub and Ahman Green help us out alot here)...which should allow our defense to rest.
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I think our defensive line is in position to switch out alot keeping our guys fresh. Plus, I see our defensive line really holding up some guys and letting our linebackers make more plays. Our defensive ends are good against the run. Now with Maddox emerging and Amobi joining the team the center of our defensive line should be solid. We played pretty well against the run last year I thought. The only teams that really bust us up running were Washington, Tennessee once, and Dallas. Philly was pretty bad but that was Game #1 in the 4-3. We allowed around 100-115 yards rushing in a good amount of our games last year and thats what it takes to be top 10 (100 yards rushing allowed per game). Even though this year we face some teams that I think are better rushing teams than last year...I am going out on a little bit of a limb.

Another reason I think we will be Top 10 in rushing defense this year is that I don't think we will be seeing our defense as tired throughout games this year. Not only because of more depth but because I think our offense will have more time of possession this year (Schaub and Ahman Green help us out alot here)...which should allow our defense to rest.
Agreed on the rotating linemen. We look to be solid with our front seven this year and hopefully that'll create oppurtunities for this team. We need to get pressure on the QB this year though. I really think that's monumental considering our secondary at this point. Dunta should have a rebound year and i'm hoping this year they figure out to man him up on the best opposing WR instead of just oneside of the field. The Buffalo game should've taught us that. My nervousness is our #2 ...i'd really like us to have someone step up so we can move faggins back to a nickel guy where he shines IMO.

If we are as good against the run as we're hoping. Our secondary has to step up because if they can't run we're going to get tested a lot there. Kind of like Minnesota last year. #1 rush defense but finished middle of the pack because no one could run on them so they had to pass.
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I have high expectations for Amobi in the future, but this year is his learning year. I'm also very sure he is not even done growing yet.
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I have high expectations for Amobi in the future, but this year is his learning year. I'm also very sure he is not even done growing yet.
A question for the board: given that Amobi is a round 1 pick (and not a QB), and round 1 picks are expected to make an impact from day 1, would we even be bringing up the question of a "learning year" were it not for his age?

Personally, in business, and in life, I find that good people rise to the level of expectation placed upon him/her. I hope the coaching staff impresses VERY HIGH expectations upon Mr. Okoye. No excuses. No crutches.
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Expectations should be set as a unit and at the individual level, but the expectations need to be part behavior (practice, conditioning, execution, commitments) and part results. I would expect Okoye to exceed expectations on a behavior measure and measure the results at specific mid points through the year.
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A question for the board: given that Amobi is a round 1 pick (and not a QB), and round 1 picks are expected to make an impact from day 1, would we even be bringing up the question of a "learning year" were it not for his age?
Certain positions have a higher learning curve. Defensive linemen usually take 2-3 years to get used to the position, considering how strong and smart offensive linemen are these days. You're not going to go in as a rookie and dominate 10 year veterans on the other side of the ball.
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Certain positions have a higher learning curve. Defensive linemen usually take 2-3 years to get used to the position, considering how strong and smart offensive linemen are these days. You're not going to go in as a rookie and dominate 10 year veterans on the other side of the ball.
Fair enough. I guess I just wanted to point out that it is a slipperly slope, talk of "learning years", leading to below par performance, leading to poor work habit/attitude. After all, how many "learning years" were given to He Who Shall Not Be Named? I think we can still have high expectations, come short of dominating 10 year vets, and still call a year a success. I think we are on the same page there.
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Fair enough. I guess I just wanted to point out that it is a slipperly slope, talk of "learning years", leading to below par performance, leading to poor work habit/attitude. After all, how many "learning years" were given to He Who Shall Not Be Named? I think we can still have high expectations, come short of dominating 10 year vets, and still call a year a success. I think we are on the same page there.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but by the same token, we don't want to get our hopes too high when looking for a rookie defensive lineman to make a big impact. Because of draft position, Mario had a lot more pressure on him to perform than if he'd been picked a few picks down.

I think we'll see signs of greatness from both of them this year (Okoye & Mario), but it might not be as consistent as we'd like. That part will take some time.
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We have worked on shutting down the run and next year we can work on shutting down the pass. QB sacks and "disruptions" do not happen often enough imo if the QB is any type of passer.
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I don't see why Okoye can't have an immediate impact on our defense. Defensive tackle has got to be one of the easiest positions to come in and be successful. Basically he's got to determine whether it's a run or pass and them let his insticts and abilities do the rest. He will probably need to develop some pass rushing moves as most Dlineman do early in their career, but at his position, he really doesn't have too much to think about. D-Rob had an immediate impact as did D Ryans and IMO their positions are much more difficult coming into the NFL.
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