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Old 07-06-2007   #81
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Jets offered that (or maybe a 4th instead of a 3rd)
Casserly wanted two 1sts and a 2nd
Where are you coming up with this? Do you have a link? I remember the Jets being mentioned as a possible trade candidate, but never heard of an actual proposal.
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More skill position players in nearly a decade? It sounds like ESPN has you wrapped around their little finger. If you think a running QB that can't throw more TD's than INT's and barely completes 50% of his passes is the best QB of the last decade... or a 3rd down scatback that is more like Eric Metcalf than LaDainian Tomlinson is the best RB of the last decade... then you don't watch much NFL football. There is a long list of players at each of these positions that are far more productive than these guys.

I completely disagree that the draft was a "screw up" and view it as one of the best in the entire NFL last season based on player production. Not highlight reels... actual production.

I can't believe it.

I agree with wonger.

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Hope everyone had a great July 4th. Went down to Freeport and it was a freaking mess. Good fireworks show but was pretty much a shut-in all holiday long.

cupacoffee. nothing personal. I don't think your a troll or a dumbarse or anything. you seem pretty intelligent and probably a good guy to share a cupacoffee with. I just feel that you are lacking when it comes to Texans-related analysis. Your past record on the big issues isn't exactly stellar. I am an opinionated guy but I have been proved to be correct on so many Texans personnel issues that I have posted about as Second Honeymoon or my original banned identity from '02-'04, Honeymoon Is Over (RIP).
Everythings fine with me too.

I considered the discussion over when the best you could come up with is "the fat coach at Notre Dame".

But then you topped it with the juvenile/asinine remark "my pee pee hurts" whatever that means.

We're through... for now.

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I think the biggest mistake in the 2006 draft was passing on the ability to fix the offense in basically 1 draft.

Draft Bush number 1
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The Urban Legend continues
yes it does

the mistake was sticking with Carr

then not giving him a #1 option in Reggie Bush or trade down a couple picks & address protection D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

on McNair you bet it is but getting rid of Casserly priceless

now we can move forward with the type of management that made McNair a success in the first place Bob will ascend much higher than just 7th nobody is perfect, well maybe Vince Young
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Where are you coming up with this? Do you have a link? I remember the Jets being mentioned as a possible trade candidate, but never heard of an actual proposal.
On the post draft thing they have on Channel 13, McNair and Casserly were on. When asked about trade offers, they said the Jets offered them the two firsts, and a mid round pick, but they wanted a 2nd rounder thrown in, which didn't happen.
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On the post draft thing they have on Channel 13, McNair and Casserly were on. When asked about trade offers, they said the Jets offered them the two firsts, and a mid round pick, but they wanted a 2nd rounder thrown in, which didn't happen.
Did anyone record this? I watched that draft review, and I don't remember that at all. Seems that would have resulted in some discussions regarding that that proposal on the message boards. I can't find that, either.

I do remember that on either ESPN or the NFL network draft day coverage, someone reported that the Jets had offered the Saints a 4th round pick to move from #4 to #2. The Saints turned that offer down (the only one they received) and took Reggie for themselves.
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I had a big time source in the Casserly regime and he told me we started asking for 3 first round picks as compensation and everyone laughed at us (loose translation). This is just rumor...so take it fwiw.
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I had a big time source in the Casserly regime and he told me we started asking for 3 first round picks as compensation and everyone laughed at us (loose translation). This is just rumor...so take it fwiw.
The Texans asked for 3 x first rounders? Really??........ I mean with a straight face????
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On the post draft thing they have on Channel 13, McNair and Casserly were on. When asked about trade offers, they said the Jets offered them the two firsts, and a mid round pick, but they wanted a 2nd rounder thrown in, which didn't happen.
Wow. Simply wow. How could they not take that trade? We could have probably still gotten Mario at #4 and if not we could have gotten Ferguson for sure and of course the extra 1st Round pick plus filler. So we get Mario for a cheaper price, less pressure on him, less pressure on the Texans including #8, more talent on the field, and we save ourselves from some national egg we got on our face. like it or not, we got big time egg on our face until Mario starts making the Pro Bowl on an almost annual basis.

your quote just makes me despise Asserley that much more. i never knew he actually stated what he was offered in trade, i thought it was just rumors.

here is to hoping that Mario starts to pay dividends this year.
i don't need instant gratification or a Pro Bowl appearance but I hope to see some marked improvement this year from #90 this year and I know I am not the only one.
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The Texans asked for 3 x first rounders? Really??........ I mean with a straight face????
that's what I heard...I posted this a few times last year after the draft. I negotiate for a living so I understand posturing for more than you think you are going to get...but asking for way too much is a sign of arrogance/stupidity too.
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I had a big time source in the Casserly regime and he told me we started asking for 3 first round picks as compensation and everyone laughed at us (loose translation). This is just rumor...so take it fwiw.
I wouldn't doubt it. The fanbase screaming, "Trade Down!" and Casserly is simultaneously demanding 3 first rounders.
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Did anyone record this? I watched that draft review, and I don't remember that at all. Seems that would have resulted in some discussions regarding that that proposal on the message boards. I can't find that, either.

I do remember that on either ESPN or the NFL network draft day coverage, someone reported that the Jets had offered the Saints a 4th round pick to move from #4 to #2. The Saints turned that offer down (the only one they received) and took Reggie for themselves.
That was what I remembered from the Draft Day coverage. I thought that was a bit low of a price and thought the Jets must be dreaming if they thought a 4th Round pick would get that done.
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that's what I heard...I posted this a few times last year after the draft. I negotiate for a living so I understand posturing for more than you think you are going to get...but asking for way too much is a sign of arrogance/stupidity too.
that is just insulting. what gets my goat is if they valued Bush as worth three 1st Round picks then why in the hell did the draft Mario over him?

Oh well, whats done is done but that doesnt make me despise Casserley any less. He drafted Heath Shuler and David Carr. Two of the most colossal QB busts in recent history. Are we sure he didn't have a hand in the drafting of Ryan Leaf as well? I am so freaking glad McNair kicked his butt to the curb and replaced him with someone who seems to know what the hell he is doing.

Rick Smith has done an exemplary job since he arrived. The fact that he had the gonads to jettison Carr one year into his deal just shows he has juevos of steel. I also love the fact that he is young and a minority. It shows that McNair isn't afraid to be progressive in his front office talent. I am sure Denver's owner Bolen (sic) gave RS a glowing review to Bob. He is a damn good owner too and I respect the Broncos organization as much as any other AFC team. I hope it falls into place this year and the Texans can be more competitive and become a more entertaining product on the field as well.
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That was what I remembered from the Draft Day coverage. I thought that was a bit low of a price and thought the Jets must be dreaming if they thought a 4th Round pick would get that done.
They were probably hoping to catch the Saints with their pants down. The Saints had less than 24 Hrs from the Texans announcement of agreeing with Mario to turning in their card. And, that's probably what it was worth to the Jets to move up. They had no intention of tossing away their draft for one player.

Which again shows that Bush was not as highly thought of as the media portrayed. If he were universally thought of as a transcendent talent, someone would have offered a Ricky Williams deal.
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Which again shows that Bush was not as highly thought of as the media portrayed. If he were universally thought of as a transcendent talent, someone would have offered a Ricky Williams deal.
I think Bush is an elite talent but that draft had talent rated very highly at LT, DE, RB, and at QB...all positions that are critical to NFL teams. No reason to give up the bank if you are going to get an elite player if you stand pat.
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Rick Smith has done an exemplary job since he arrived. The fact that he had the gonads to jettison Carr one year into his deal just shows he has juevos of steel.
I think it shows he had permission to do so.
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I think it shows he had permission to do so.
oh yes, without a doubt. mcnair had as big of a hand in getting rid of Carr than he did in resigning him. he admitted he made a mistake. when you are a billionaire and have investors on your back, it takes gonads of steel to cut bait not even 12 months after such a crippling and widely panned move was made. he wasn't stubborn and approved the release of DC. I give McNair credit for Carr being gone and I give RS credit for not just being a yes man, as I am sure he informed McNair that Carr was not the answer and that they needed to cut bait ASAP. They both are to be applauded this offseason. I do kinda wish we could have found a way to keep Moulds though. I wonder if there is stuff we don't know about in relation to Moulds.
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On the post draft thing they have on Channel 13, McNair and Casserly were on. When asked about trade offers, they said the Jets offered them the two firsts, and a mid round pick, but they wanted a 2nd rounder thrown in, which didn't happen.
this is the only 'evidence' ive ever seen of trade negotiations

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"Sure,'' said Tannenbaum. "What else are you going to give me for it?''
id like to think if we did get any type of offer from the jets, kubiak and co. would've forced asserley to take it (after settling on mario- with d'brick as our emergency pick)
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Mario and Reggie were the top two prospects on the Texans draft board. Reggie held out, and there was no guarantee at the time that Mario would fall to us at #4 or beyond.

Hindsight being 20/20, we can all be great GMs. (and the fact that it's all speculation as to where teams ranked players, other than a few quote nuggets, plays no small part in trying to analyze previous drafts.)

I think the 'truth' is more about Casserly trying to work the impossible deal than it was we were offered viable trades. Like Vinny has said many times, it was a very deep draft, so teams did not have to work as hard or make huge deals to get some great talent.
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